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“My story is about the greatness and faithfulness of the Lord—and how He uses ordinary people to accomplish His extraordinary plans.”

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Hey everybody, how are you guys doing? Welcome to Off The Bench with Heidi St. John. Today is Friday, July 10th. This is episode number 955, and we’ve had a rough week. We have had a rough week. And so today, we’re going to bring a little sunshine into your life. It’s Meet-My-Friend-Friday and one of my favorite people in the whole wide world, Zan Tyler, is back on the show today. And we’re going to talk about the top five reasons that homeschooling, rona or not, is awesome. Stick around, I think you’re going to be encouraged.

So thanks for tuning in today. Want to tell you guys, we so appreciate your reaching out to us here at the podcast. For those of you who are leaving reviews over at iTunes for the podcast, we really appreciate it. And for many of you who have been sending in just notes of encouragement, I’m going to link back to the address of the Homeschool Resource Center. So if you guys would like to reach out to us, we love to hear from you. It’s very encouraging. Also, we’re going to link in the show notes today to two things in particular.

One is an opportunity for you to record a question for the show, that we would possibly air if we like your question and we like your tone of voice, then we would love to use your question and we’ll actually play it as you leave it. And so, we will link back to that. You can find that at anchor.fm, I will link back to it in the show notes today. And we’re going to link back to a form for you to fill out if you’ve got ideas for guests that you’d like to hear on the show or topics or any of those things, we will link back to all those things in the show notes today.

All right, we’ve been talking for a while now, well, for me, eight years at least of doing this podcast, about the importance of homeschooling. Why we homeschool. We’ve talked about the culture, we’ve talked about the educational aspects. We’ve talked about the protection that homeschooling affords children. Today we really want to focus on why homeschooling is awesome.

And I have asked my friend, Zan Tyler, to come back on the show with me. Zan is a well-respected voice in the homeschool community and she has been a friend of mine for many years. She and her husband homeschooled their kids all the way through high school, even under threat of jail. Zan was responsible for writing the homeschool law that South Carolina adopted and is still enjoying today. And so, Zan Tyler, my friend, you warrior woman of God. I love you so much. Welcome back to the show.

[Zan] Oh, thank you, Heidi. It’s always so great to be here and with you.

[Heidi] Well, it’s fun to see you because we’re videoing it. You and I are seeing each other for the…

[Zan] Yes.

[Heidi] Usually we don’t get to do that. So it’s a good thing that we got out of our pajamas. Yeah, it was good. I’m glad we did that. Normally, when we’re talking on the phone, we’re whining in our pajamas. So today is a little bit different. We came up with a list of five reasons that homeschooling is awesome. Before we jump into it, can you just, real quickly, there are a lot of new people here at the podcast, so can you give them just the Zan 101. How did you get into homeschooling? First of all, let’s just start there. How’d you get into homeschooling?

[Zan] Well, it was back in 1984. I never heard of homeschooling. But I was praying about where to put my oldest son in school. I felt like he would benefit from being held back a year. So that was our story, we wanted to hold him back a year. The public school said that was fine. They agreed with the testing I’d done on him. And then they changed their mind and I said I couldn’t hold him back and public schools were filled. In the midst of all this, a friend of mine had given me a book by Raymond Moore, Dr. Moore, Home Grown Kids.

And it was like reading this book and it gave me this new way to think about education. I can’t describe it. When somebody tells you something so new, that’s never even entered your mind. And he was talking about the beauty of homeschooling and having time to serve and work along with study and parents being the main influence in their kids’ lives. And this is how royalty was raised. And he gave all kinds of examples from history. And it was like the Holy Spirit just breathing this new thought into me and thinking how wonderful, except for our chicken doubt. Do the words Jonah Ran mean anything to you?

[Heidi] Zan was like, and then they said you have to be with your child all day long. You’re like, nevermind.

[Zan] Well, that wasn’t even it, as much as we didn’t know anybody in the whole entire universe that homeschooled.

[Heidi] Yeah.

[Zan] And so, the first time I heard the word homeschool, it was right after, Star Wars hadn’t been out for long, and you remember the garbage, the trash compactor scene with Chewbacca and princess Leia and Luke Skywalker all in there. And I just thought, the only thoughts of homeschooling I could have were confining and threatening to my health.

And so, I’m just feeling like this trash compactor is just going to close in on me and snuff out my life if I start homeschooling. And so, I’m having all these contradictory thoughts. So then the school board reneged on me being able to put Tye in first grade. It was just like the Lord said, “Okay, you’re not going to listen to Me the first time. I’ve hardened hearts until you obey Me.”

[Heidi] Yes.

[Zan] So then it was just one of those things. Then I told my friend and the school district I’d like to homeschool. He said the district is getting lenient with that kind of thing, which means one person in the district history, and she was a certified teacher, had been homeschooled. So we had to hire an attorney. They would not even tell me what the homeschool law was. So we had to hire an attorney. We had to look hard to find an attorney who had heard the words home–school together.

[Heidi] And now, I think it’s fair to say, everybody in the United States has heard that term.

[Zan] In home schooling, that’s right. If you had told me that then, I think I just would have rolled over and died. I would never have believed it.

[Heidi] Yeah, just knock us over with a feather.

[Zan] So anyway, we got the law, the school board turned us down. Our attorney said the State Department of Education is your next round of appeal. They’ll turn you down because they’re just going to do what the school district said. And I’m saying, “Lord, I told you this was not a good idea. And you did not listen to me.”

So anyway, so I met with the state superintendent of education, who was a friend of my mother’s right before the hearing to try to find some relief and let him know. I thought, when I told him everything I had done in order to be legal, he would say, “Honey, I know you love your kids. Yes, what can I do to help?” And he says, “If you continue this, I’ll put you in jail for it.” And I thought, so I hear this voice saying, okay-

[Heidi] So wait, what you’re saying is, tyrants are nothing new in the United States.

[Zan] Yes, that’s right.

[Heidi] We’re seeing a lot of tyrants in leadership right now. And you stood up against it.

[Zan] Well, as Mike Farris said, “Sometimes tyrants come in suits, carrying briefcases and we expect them to come and camouflage carrying guns.” And so we have a whole new level of tyranny in this country, where none of the checks and balances in the three levels of government are being enforced. That’s a whole nother topic, I’m sorry.

[Heidi] It is, but I love that you, all these years ago, you took a stand and you were like… Now, I wish more Americans would do the same thing and I think we’re going to start to see it happen, for sure.

[Zan] Yes, I think so too. We’re going to have no choice, Heidi. We’re going to have no choice.

[Heidi] Yeah, I think that’s true. So you start homeschooling and just like me, this is where kind of our stories collide a little bit because I was not planning on homeschooling either. Our daughter was in a public school when we pulled her out. And I just remember thinking, I just don’t know. I have three other little kids at home. I just don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t feel qualified. I’m not really sure.

But I’ll tell you what. And it’s a long story, which I do not have time to go into today. But when we finally made the decision to homeschool our daughters, Savannah and Sierra, who are now respectively, almost 30 and almost 27, when we made that decision, a whole new world opened up to us.

[Zan] Yes. Amen.

[Heidi] And I had no idea. And I always tell people, this was the hardest, best decision that we ever made, was to keep our kids at home. It’s life giving, it’s the best thing we’ve ever done with our kids. And so, you and I have talked about this before the show when we were like, we can think of a hundred reasons why homeschooling is a good option.

So forget the rona. I know a lot of people are listening to this going, “Rona going to make me homeschool.” So we’re here to tell you, wait a minute, this is going to be the best thing that ever happens to you. And we want to give you guys a shot in the arm today and just encourage you, that homeschooling really… I mean, I love, Zan, that you reminded everybody, this is how royalty was raised. Like princes and princesses homeschooled, right?

[Zan] Because they were special.

[Heidi] I mean, this is an incredible way.

[Zan] And our kids are sons and daughters of the King.

[Heidi] That’s right.

[Zan] They’re royalty, they deserve that kind of attention and socialization and attention to God’s Word, they’re just…

[Heidi] All these things. It’s just, and I guess we want to just encourage everybody today. I know there’s a lot of people listening to this who are like, “Oh, for the love, how did I even get here?” And we just want to say, everything’s going to be all right and this is going to be the best thing.

[Zan] You know what I think, Heidi? I think the decision to homeschool is 20 times harder than homeschooling. You’re faced with that decision, it’s so awful because you think, the only decision I’m supposed to make is what school district to live in and then everybody else does the work.

Well now, you’re faced with what I’m supposed to do. What? I don’t think so. But you get past the decision and the doing of it once you’ve gotten over that decision hump, I mean, you start getting hit in the face with the glories of homeschooling. You can’t imagine it because you think all that time with your kids, I’m going to pull my hair out and then you realize it’s this great gift.

[Heidi] Yeah, that’s absolutely right. And you’re right. And I think for me, same thing, the decision to homeschool, much harder than the actual act of homeschooling itself. So let’s do it, Zan. So we kind of threw a whole bunch of ideas out there, and there are a million reasons why homeschooling is awesome. But you and I both agreed on the first one, which is relationship. So tell everybody the impact they can expect from homeschooling on the relationships that they have with their children, even with the family as a whole.

[Zan] If I could give everybody who’s homeschooling, and they never thought they’d be there, one piece of advice, it would be to take a deep breath and relax.

[Heidi] Chill out.

[Zan] Yes, don’t think I’m homeschooling for 12 years. Think, I have one year to be with my children and do something so radically different in their lives that we’re going to enjoy it. And so, you will get to know your children as people, you don’t have the pressure of being up at six, taking your kids to three different schools, having extra curricular activities afterwards, homework. I mean, you never get the best part of your kid’s day when they’re in an institutional school. Now all of a sudden you have a chance to sit back and study them. As one author says, “let them fashion a self in silence far from the madding crowds”. I mean, there’s so much freedom in homeschooling for you, for your kids.

And they can actually study some things they’re passionate about. But all these things have to do with your relationship with your kids. And then you start observing them. The thing that hit me over the head, and my kids were six and four, I had been a stay at home mom and they had just been in half day preschool and kindergarten, was that I started noticing their spiritual gifting. That blew me out of the water. I thought I knew my kids, but we just had a chance to spend more relaxed time praying and being together, being in the Word. I mean, they were little, I’m not saying we spent hours, but it was more of a focal part of our day.

[Heidi] It was intentional.

[Zan] Yes.

[Heidi] You have the opportunity to do something intentional that really, we just hear talked about. We hear people say, “You guys should spend more time with your kids.” Oh, okay. So my kids are going to get up in the morning at 6:00 AM, they’re going to get on the bus at 7:15. They’re going to come home at 4:30 in the afternoon. They’re going to be tired and crabby and not want to hang out with any other siblings, right? That was, when Savannah was in school, when our oldest daughter was in school, the most tense hour of the day was when she got off the bus and her little siblings were so excited to see her.

But she was fried from being with 400 kids all day long. She didn’t want to talk to anybody. She just wanted to come in and watch Bugs Bunny and zone out. And I noticed within weeks, probably just a couple of weeks of bringing her home, the relationships which she had with her siblings, improved dramatically. All of a sudden, these are her playmates now. They’re not just people who annoy her, that she has to hang out with when she comes home from school. You know what I’m saying?

[Zan] Yeah, absolutely.

[Heidi] So that relationship piece of it is key. And you’re going to find out things about your children. I know I did when I brought Savannah home from school, I was like, “Oh my goodness, I’m missing the character issues that need to be dealt with.” It’s going to give you an incredible, incredible amount of time to focus on those relationships. And that’s the kind of stuff that’s going to last forever. I mean, long after you’re done homeschooling.

[Zan] Forever, that’s right. So don’t… I would tell new homeschool moms, especially if you think you may have one year or two years at home with your kids, take a break, take a step back, look at your kids, get to know them. Don’t be afraid to spend the morning talking with them or taking a walk in the park or around the lake or however you can get outside in this craziness. And just get to know them.

Ask them what they like about school. What do they miss about school? What can we do to make this year really positive for you? I mean, we lose the art of education with our kids when they’re in an institutional setting. Not because you don’t care, not because you don’t love your kids. There’s no time and bandwidth for those kinds of conversations.

[Heidi] And you have surrounded yourself with educational quotes, of which you just read some to me. You got to read a couple, because these are so great. So we’re talking about institutional learning, right? And we’ve been talking about this, people have been talking about this forever. What you got, Zan? 

[Zan] Okay. I got a couple, I got two or three that I want to read. I didn’t read this one to your earlier, Heidi, but it’s by John Taylor Gatto, for those of you who don’t know, he was the New York State teacher of the year, which is really significant. After winning that award, he resigned in The Wall Street Journal the next day and said he could no longer be a part of an institution that he feels like harms children. Not teachers, not good teachers.

So here’s what he says about the institutions. “Although teachers do care and do work very, very hard, the institution is psychopathic. It has no conscience. It rings a bell and the young man in the middle of writing a poem, must close his notebook and move to a different cell where he must memorize that humans and monkeys derive from a common ancestor.” And then whatever you think about Ralph Waldo Emerson, this quote, “We are shut up in schools and college recitation rooms for 10 or 15 years and come out at last with a belly full of words and do not know a thing.”

[Heidi] Boy, hello? That’s every college campus, almost, in America right now.

[Zan] Yes. And so, we’re not saying there are not good teachers out there. What we are saying is that real learning really can occur in your home. Robert Frost, the poet, used to, he was a homeschool father by the way, and he would always talk about how education first is relating with real things in real life. And some of his quotes, I don’t have them in front of me, but they’re just powerful.

Mark Twain said, oh what did Mark Twain say? He said, “Education consists mainly in what we have unlearned.” So he’s not talking about what you learned from reading. What you learned from processing, what you learned from living. Homeschooling is where living and learning and loving, really intersect. And it makes for a powerful education. He’s just talking about that institution that John Taylor Gatto was, where a child can never continue working on what he loves for more than 30 minutes at a time.

[Heidi] Well, that brings us to the next thing on our list, because the next thing was, it helps parents help their children to make an effective use of their time. And so, what I discovered very quickly when I started homeschooling, and I know you too, because we both had the public school to compare it to. So my daughter was in public school, she was also in private school, when we decided to homeschool her. And one of the things I saw really quickly was, I was accomplishing in an hour and a half every day, what it was taking the school eight and a half hours a day to do. So I started school with her at nine in the morning and wouldn’t you know it, by 11, we were done. And all of a sudden we’ve opened up this time and she’s able to pursue her strengths and I’m able to see in her, oh my goodness, look at you, you’re a natural born artist.

I mean, Savannah is a very gifted artist. I can’t draw a stick figure to save my life, so she didn’t get it from me. But she was able to look at a tree or a bird that was outside in the yard or whatever, and she’d begin to sketch and draw. She would go outside for hours with her pens. We got her a set of charcoals and she’d go outside and draw. Then we noticed that Sierra had an incredible eye for graphics, so we got her a camera and she began to pursue… Guess what those kids are doing today? Well, Savannah’s got her hands full right now, she’s got three kids of her own. Sierra is a full time graphic designer. And we saw these strengths in her very early on. So that’s the next thing. They’re going to help you make the most use of your time, which frees your children up for you to be able to fold them where they’re bent. As opposed to somebody just folding them for the sake of folding them.

[Zan] That’s right. And to pursue their passions and their interest in life. Like Eric Liddell, who was the gold medalist in the Olympics, wouldn’t run on Sunday.

[Heidi] Chariots of Fire.

[Zan] Chariots of Fire, thank you. You know, he said, “When I run,” he said, “I know God made me to be a missionary, but He also made me to be fast. And when I run, I feel His pleasure.” And so, I think our task as parents is to find out what it is that when our kids do it, they feel God’s pleasure. It doesn’t mean that you can live in that moment all the time.

For me, it’s probably speaking and ministering with moms. You can’t live there all the time, but that’s, you feel like, okay, that’s where I feel God’s pleasure.

[Heidi] That’s what makes my heart sing.

[Zan] Yes, yes. And so, you have to do a lot of work to have those moments of your heart singing, but we have the privilege of being able to help our kids find those things, because they’re not being educated in a herd mentality where everybody’s expected to be the same.

[Heidi] Yeah, that’s exactly right. The next thing that we wrote down was that it gives us time to serve together. This is something that’s sorely lacking. I’m going to be interviewing here in a couple of days the Medal of Honor recipient who got the Medal of Honor in Vietnam for doing incredibly heroic things there. This was a guy who was injured, shot in the spine and shot in his stomach. And he knew he had a job to do. And so he had villagers and he was a medic, pick him up and take him from one wounded person to the other, even though he had been paralyzed from his waist down and they were carrying him and he was serving other people.

And his takeaway from that was we have lost the art of thinking about other people in the culture right now. Our culture is so focused on self. And just like what you’re saying a minute ago, Zan, is we got people whose brains are full of words and they’ve got no wisdom, no discernment to know how to use them. And so the other really awesome thing about homeschooling is it would give your family time to focus on other people to be able to serve. Zan, You said it gives parents time to delight in their children. I love that. Can you expand on that just a little bit?

[Zan] Yes. Real quickly, my mom got real sick the last four years of her life. And she would love for my teenage boys and my daughter to come spend time with her. She wanted to know every detail of their day and how it went. And then it struck me that verse that says that, “the Lord who delights in our steps, our paths” just like my mother found the light in them. And you know we’ve lost in this culture, this whole issue of delight.

We need to learn how to delight in our children for who God made them to be and encourage them, words of affirmation, unconditional love. All these things that speaks power and meaning into their lives. And they know when we’re putting up with them and we’re delighting with them. If you don’t do anything for the next year, but learn how to delight in your children, it will change your family life.

[Heidi] Yeah, no, that’s right. And I think it also these are the building blocks of confidence in our children. It helps them to become better parents themselves. You guys are raising parents for your grandchildren.

[Zan] Yes. Amen.

[Heidi] That’s really what you’re doing. And that effort I was telling a friend of mine the other day that when I was a kid, we used to sing a song in Sunday school called Jesus and Others in You. So way back in the 70s, we would sing Jesus and Others in You and it was J was for Jesus and then others and then you, it spells joy and to teach our children, those are God’s priorities. We put the Lord Jesus first, which is what homeschooling allows you to do  instead of using your morning to be running out the door to school, hurry up, get on the school bus, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up.

You can take time in the morning and disciple your children. We had Renton Rathbun on the show with me. And I know Zan that you are working very closely with HomeWorks and the homeschool consultants there. And I want to be sure we talk about that, but we know that how important worldview is and Renton was on the show and made an incredibly powerful case. In fact, I’ll link back to that show in the show notes day so people can go and listen to why it matters that we teach our children a biblical world view.

Why does it matter that we spend time with them every morning, equipping them for the world that they are going to enter when they leave our home? And homeschooling gives you the opportunity to do that. It’s a powerful thing, four on my list. I want to make sure we got enough time to do this— four on our list was that homeschooling puts parents back in the driver’s seat of the lives of their child. And the parent then, instead of the teacher or the school administrator or the PE coach, the parent becomes the primary influence in the lives of their children.

Why do you think Zan, when you think about that why would you say? I know you and I agree that this is more important now than it’s ever been.

[Zan] Well, this is going to sound very mundane, but I think parents have been reduced to being a checklist person in their kids’ lives. Get them ready for the bus — check, dress  —  check, homework done  — check. Cell phones charge —  check, check, check, check. Rather than being the person of major influence. And homeschooling is a chance to take your kids back and determine how God made them and work in conjunction with their bent, as you said earlier.

The children are not the mere creature of the state, our Supreme Court determined that years ago. We need to educate society that our children are ours alone from God. They do not belong to the state and the state should not be making major decisions for them. Parents should.

[Heidi] Yeah. That’s exactly right. Parents should. And the state really, I mean, the state assumes that’s our responsibility now and homeschooling, we’ll wake you guys up. You’re going to have your kids. This is what happened to me. I mean, I think homeschooling in large part turned Heidi St. John and Zan Tyler into warriors. Because we realized this is something worth fighting for. This ability to be the primary influence of my child’s life. I’m the one who now is teaching my child history, not the revisionist who is putting in that whatever 16, 14 curriculum into the schools.

All of a sudden, you come back in the driver’s seat is so important. And finally, the opportunity to teach to the strengths of your child. And Zan When you think about teaching to a child’s strength, can you unpack that a little bit? So for the mom who’s going, “What does that even mean?” Tell us why this is such an awesome thing about homeschooling.

[Zan] Okay. I’m going to unpack this, it’s opposite day, as my kids used to say. So I read a book early on by a PhD Walter Barb and he said that, “You will never find a group of adults operating from their areas of weakness.” But in school, a kid’s not good in math so instead of 25 problems, we give him a 100 and we give him every opportunity to fail and not be excited about who he is. And he didn’t say how God made it. That’s my own parenthetical element.

But when as adults we learn to operate from our strengths, life becomes more exciting. So if God has bent your child to be an architect, but somebody else wants him to be a machine operator in an outcome-based education in high school. I mean, we just need to find out how God bent them, how he gifted them. Are they right-brained or left-brained? Are they science or history people? What are they? And let them operate from those strengths. I mean, this is like finding the sweet spot in tennis, man. You’re golden.

[Heidi] Totally, it is. Yeah, it is. It’s amazing. I am excited actually for it. There are so many parents that are going to be homeschooling this year. And I think that decision’s kind of been made for them. And it maybe feels overwhelming, but Zan and I are here today to pump you guys up. Because it will be the best thing that ever happens to your family.

[Zan] If you get stuck, read a book aloud. If you don’t know what to do on Monday, the first day of school, pick up a book and read it out loud and ask your kids, what do you think?

[Heidi] Yeah, that’s it. And we’ve made education into this sort of monotonous, boring, sitting in your chair and do the thing. It doesn’t have to be that way. And homeschooling is going to open up a whole new world for parents who are listening. We’re going to have a little bit of fun, Zan coming up. Because I’m going to be part of a Facebook party, right? That you are also part of. And we’re going to be giving stuff away. We’re going to be encouraging people. That is happening July 21st through the 23rd. And people can find out about it by going to homeschoolhelp.com/party. We need a party in the middle of the Rona.

[Zan] We do, we do. We need to have some fun and get some great discounts on curriculum while you’re there.

[Heidi] I love that. And we’ve been telling parents for a long time, homeschooling is now a well-oiled machine. There are people who have gone out literally generations of people now who have gone out and the laws are excellent. We’ve got access to organizations like the Home School Legal Defense Association. We’ve got access to curriculum.

One of the things I love about what you do Zan is you work with a HomeWorks by Precept. What we’ve done is we’ve made homeschool moms available. So you got an issue, these women will call you on the phone, big pause, and they’ll talk to you.

[Zan] 200 consultants across the country, and they will talk to you about homeschooling. They’ll pray with you about your kids. They’ll help you understand what to do next and how to choose curriculum. And you can find them at homeschoolhelp.com/map. Scroll down a little bit, click on the state you’re in, and they’ll show you a choice of consultants you can choose from.

[Heidi] Yeah, it’s so important. Just that access to help. We want parents to know that there is a ton of help available to you. And this is an incredible time. I think God’s going to use it in an incredible way. And I’m excited. I don’t know, Zan, I mean, I think a year from now, we could be having a conversation about how homeschooling is really changing the landscape in our nation and that this is an incredible, incredible time.

So Zan Tyler, thank you so much for coming on and talking to me about the five top reasons that homeschooling is awesome. It’s awesome. And speaking of awesome, you are also awesome. I think you’re awesome. And I love having you. And again, if you guys want to find out more about the party that Zan and I are doing, we’re giving stuff away. Great discounts on curriculum. You guys are going to love it. homeschoolhelp.com/party.

And if you’re looking for help, if you want to talk to a homeschool mom in your area, who can give you a boost and encourage you and point you in the right direction, homeschoolhelp.com/map. Like think of Dora the Explorer, okay. I’m the map. I’m the map. That’s where you want to go. Okay. homeschoolhelp.com/map.

[Zan] That was free.

[Heidi] That was free. /map. Zan Tyler, you are a delight. Also, you’ve written an awesome book on cultivating learning. Can you tell listeners where they can find that real quick?

[Zan] Yes. Seven Tools for Cultivating Your Child’s Potential. You can go to Amazon and get that book.

[Heidi] That is so amazing. I will also link back to that in the show notes today. Zan Tyler, you’re a blessing. Thanks for coming on here and encouraging a whole bunch of parents who are jumping off of the sidelines and onto the front lines of their kids’ education. Good things are coming.

[Zan] Amen. Thank you, Heidi.

[Heidi] You’re welcome. For more information on Zan Tyler and on the homeschool party that’s coming up on Facebook, you can go to heidistjohn.com/podcast. Scroll down to the notes or you can go directly to homeschoolhelp.com/party to find out more about that opportunity. That’s happening July 21st to 23rd and homeschoolhelp.com/map (think of Dora). And you can find somebody in your area who can help you in real life. We love you guys. Hang in there. Good things are coming. Have a great weekend, everybody and I’ll see you back here on Monday.