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[Heidi] Hey everybody. How you doing? This is Heidi St. John. I hope you guys had a great weekend. Today is Monday, July 13th. This is episode 956. And in light of everything that’s happening today, I’m going to take Mailbox Monday to a whole new level. I’ve invited a special guest on the show with me today, Zan Tyler is back with me, and we’re going to talk about the nuts and bolts of homeschooling, some really important dos, and some really important don’ts. Stick around, I think you’re going to be encouraged.

So thanks for tuning in today, you guys. Lots going on. I feel like I should be podcasting even on the weekends because I miss things, right? And then I get on here and I’m like, “Oh my goodness. The Rona did that this weekend. The Rona did this.” Today, we’re going to take a shift away from the news and we’re going to encourage you. I know a whole bunch of you now, it’s the middle of July, whole bunch you guys are getting ready to homeschool. And a lot of you have questions. We recorded an awesome podcast that aired this last Friday, talking about the awesome, awesome benefits of homeschooling, and so I hope you guys will share that far and wide. I hope you’ll join us for the Facebook party, which we’ll talk about more today. But today I’ve invited Zan to come back on the show with me today. And we just thought, “Man, we covered awesome things about why homeschooling is amazing and why everyone should do it.” And then I thought, “Boy, people need just some nuts and bolts.” And so Zan has graciously agreed to come back on with me today and we’re going to tackle some of this stuff. Zan, my friend, welcome back to the show.

[Zan] Thank you, Heidi. It’s always great to be here.

[Heidi] Now, you know a little bit about homeschooling.

[Zan] Just a little.

[Heidi] You know just a little bit about homeschool and when we were talking about some of the nuts and bolts of it, we came up with some dos and some don’ts and we got so many of them to go through. We’re going to start barreling right through that list. The first thing that we both agreed on was research your state law. Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states, thanks mainly to the hard work of the Home School Legal Defense Association, which they’ve been around for what, 30 years now, at least. Homeschooling is legal in all 50 States, but the state law varies from state to state. Is that correct?

[Zan] That is correct. Each compulsory attendance law is different. It can be a homeschool law. It can be functioned as a private school. There are all kinds of nuances. It can be decided by a court case. So you just want to make sure that you go to homeschoolers to find out the law.

[Heidi] Yes.

[Zan] You can go to the HSLDA website, find out the law in your state.

[Heidi] That’s probably the easiest thing to do. If you guys go to HSLDA.org, you can click on your state and they have very detailed, and here’s the best part, very up to date information on how exactly you can homeschool your child and comply with the law. And I think, Zan, we talked about this last time, parents need to be empowered, to see it’s actually not as scary. I’m hearing stories, for goodness sake, of districts telling parents that they can’t homeschool their kids. That is a lie.

[Zan] Yes.

[Heidi] That’s a lie.

[Zan] And saying things like, “Oh, we’re so busy. We can’t handle the withdrawal of your child right now. So you just won’t be able to homeschool them.” Okay, that’s not true either.

[Heidi] That’s right.

[Zan] So what you need to do, the school year’s over. You’re not taking your child out of school in the middle of the year. In many, many states, you never have to interact with the public school district at all.

[Heidi] Whoop whoop.

[Zan] So don’t go there first. Find out from HSLDA how to get in touch with your state organization, or find a mentor mom in your area, or support group, and learn what the law is. In South Carolina, for instance, you never have to let the school district know again what you’re doing.

[Heidi] Yeah. Sometimes they’re going to ask you questions that you don’t need to answer.

[Zan] That’s right.

[Heidi] So it’s very important. So the first thing on our list was do research state law. Go to HSLDA.org. We’ll link back to the show notes today. And the second one was that big don’t, don’t contact your school district first. Zan, why shouldn’t they do that first? I mean, a lot of parents going, “I don’t know. I’m just going to call the school.” Why should that not be the first thing they do?

[Zan] Okay. So, in the first place, they’re overwhelmed with right now with trying to figure out how they’re going to do school in the fall. They don’t have time to deal with you and some…

[Heidi] Because they’re too busy looking up plexiglass enclosures and how to keep masks on five-year-olds for six hours a day. But I digress. Go ahead.

[Zan] Okay. Now I totally, as my sister says, lost my track of frame.

[Heidi] So why don’t we contact our school district first? One, they’re overwhelmed.

[Zan] They’re overwhelmed, and they may tell you that they don’t have time for you to withdraw your child and homeschool. That’s just not true. Go to a place of support. Go to people who know the law. They may tell you, in this state, you don’t even have to contact your state school board or local school board for anything. So, make it easy on yourselves. Find people who support your decision to homeschool and go with their advice.

[Heidi] Yeah, it’s so important. And if you go to HSLDA.org, I just looked it up. It’s so easy, you guys. HSLDA.org/legal, and it’s going to take you to a map and you can just click on the map. So Heidi St. John, unfortunately, is a prisoner in the state of Washington. So I clicked on Washington State. And they’ll tell you, you have two options for homeschooling. The compulsory age, meaning if your child is under the age of eight in Washington State, you don’t have to do anything. You don’t have to do anything.

[Zan] And that’s probably a well-kept secret.

[Heidi] It’s a well-kept secret. And so, they’ll tell you if you’re new to homeschooling in Washington here are all of these… There’s articles, what’s happening in Washington State, who do you call if someone bothers you, blah, blah, blah. So this is very, very important. Also, I believe that they have… Yes, they do, the Washington declaration of intent form. So they have homeschooling forms for your state. This is a fantastic research for you at HSLDA.org/legal. And once you go there, it’s very empowering, isn’t it, Zan, just to know when you go to your school board or to your school district, if you even have to, you already know the law.

[Zan] That’s right. And you’re not going to be given wrong information, whether it’s intentional or unintentional, the results are the same. So it does empower you. While you’re there if you want to join HSLDA, I would encourage you to do that because we are all in this together.

[Heidi] That’s right. And that’s next on our list. Do join HSLDA.

[Zan] Oh. Sorry.

[Heidi] Yeah. We just are on the same wavelength all the time. This is important because the Home School Legal Defense Association for over 30 years has really been making homeschooling possible. So if you’re a member of that organization and somebody comes to your door and they say, “Oh, hey, you’re violating the truancy law in the county,” or whatever, you don’t even have to talk to them. If you’re a member of HSLDA, you just pick up the phone and say, “I’ve got a CPS worker at my door.” And then you hand the phone to the CPS worker and HSLDA takes it from there. It’s basically legal representation, right? Isn’t that what your membership gets you?

[Zan] Right. Yes. Yes. That’s it.

[Heidi] Great stuff.

[Zan] And protection and defense. I mean, all of those things we need. And things are going to be crazy in this country for a while, and even though many people are forced to homeschool, it doesn’t mean that there’s not going to be some type of resistance from school boards. I mean, some estimates I’ve read, Heidi, are 40 to 45% of school-aged kids this year are going to be at home. That’s more than 10 million kids. And so there will be some backlash and that’s why you know you’re…

[Heidi] There’ll be some people in the education industry, and that’s really what it is, who will feel threatened because they don’t want your kids thinking for themselves. Right? So they’re going to feel threatened by that. And we expect to see legal challenges to homeschooling. So check it out. Also, this is a good time to say that I recently, about I guess, three or four weeks ago, accepted a position on the board of directors for HSLDA. So that’s exciting. People that I’ve known for a long time.

[Zan] That is very exciting.

[Heidi] I know. Zan was like, “Whoo, Heidi on the board of HSLDA.” I think that makes me the first woman to sit on that board.

[Zan] It does. It does.

[Heidi] So we’re going to have some fun. This will be good. But we want to encourage you guys to check that out. Number four on our list was don’t go it alone. Homeschooling, contrary to what some people may have told you, is not an isolated activity. This is not an isolation. Homeschooling is not done in isolation unless, of course, you live in a cave somewhere. It’s done in communities. Zan, what does that look like?

[Zan] It can look like a number of things now in a different day, in a different time, and some states will have co-ops that meet sometimes, like your learning center, Heidi. Sometimes it means you join a learning center or a co-op, and you’re there one or two days a week, and your kids have friends, and you have community, and you have mentor moms who speak into your lives. It can be less formal than that. It can be that you’re a member of your state organization in a support group, and you’re a member of HSLDA. It’s not a brick and mortar community. It’s really a vibrant community that just hits us on all levels. It’s been a long time coming. There’s been a lot of work put into building a strong infrastructure for homeschooling, but it’s there, and you do not need to reinvent the wheel when it comes to curriculum, when it comes to how do I answer the socialization question, everything. Just find a mentor mom that you trust. If you don’t know where else to go, find one mom who’s been at it for a while.

[Heidi] Yeah. I think that’s really important. Another reason why we love HomeWorks by Precept, I mean, people can go there and they can find a homeschool mom who’s been at it for a while who will love on you, and pray with you, and talk you down out of your homeschool tree.

[Zan] That’s right.

[Heidi] Come down out of your tree.

[Zan] Because we are all on the edge sometimes. I loved homeschooling. I mean, I loved it. It’s been what I’ve devoted my life to. And yes, people say, “Did you ever want to quit?”

[Heidi] Ah, yes.

[Zan] And I’d say, “Yeah, like every day,” because it stretches you. It stretches you. It stretches your faith. So it makes fellowship with the Lord and it makes fellowship with others so much more precious and dynamic.

[Heidi] It’s so true. Next on our list. So far we’ve done do researcher your state law, don’t contact the school district first, do join HSLDA, don’t go it alone. And now we’ve got: do have some fun.

[Zan] Amen.

[Heidi] Raising our kids should be fun. I feel like the world has just told us that kids are a burden and if you have kids, for goodness’ sake, only have two. And then if you have those two kids, hurry up and put them in school because they’re going to cramp your style and make sure that you can’t have two cars and a really nice house in the suburbs. Right? But there are more important things. And the Bible teaches us that children are a gift. They are a blessing. The Bible says that the person whose quiver is full of them is blessed. And that’s really true. So have some fun with your homeschooling should not be drudgery. It should be fun.

[Zan] No, it shouldn’t. And we talked about it being delight directed in the last podcast, Heidi. Delight in your children. They’ll delight in you. I mean, family is something that can be fun and engaging. It’s so stressful sometimes when your kids are in an institutional setting because of all the demands on the children, and all of the demands on you. But when you’re home together and you can take a deep breath, enjoy each other. Have fun together. Watch a good movie together. Once all these quarantines lift, take a ton of field trips. Travel together. See the world. Talk to people.

[Heidi] Yeah. It’s so important. People used to say to me, “Aren’t you worried about socialization?” And I would say, “Yes, I am. That’s exactly why I pulled my child out of public school.”

[Zan] Amen. I mean we want to teach our children to love other people, not to be… I mean, when popularity is king, and social media, and the bullying, and the hatred, and all of that you see in schools now. We need to teach our children that they’re free and they’re safe in loving other people.

[Heidi] Yeah. Yeah. That’s exactly right. Next on our list is don’t be worried all the time. Don’t be worried all the time. Zan, did you ever worry?

[Zan] You know, I have never worried a day in my life. Actually, it’s one of my biggest giftings. I see…

[Heidi] I have a child standing outside of the studio who’s telling me that she just got 100% on her math drill.

[Zan] Okay. That’s so great.

[Heidi] She’s jumping up and down, she’s like, “Mom, I did it. I did it. I did it.” So cute. I’m like, I’m looking up from the studio, out in the studio window, and there’s lights in here, right, so it’s hard to see out there. And there’s this little figure and she’s jumping up and down and I’m like, “What’s going on?” and she’s showing me her test. That’s awesome.

[Zan] That is awesome. That is delighting in your kids. That’s rejoicing in victory together.

[Heidi] Yeah. You’re rejoicing in victory. And I think too, one of the things we’ve loved to do with our kids over the years is I let them choose what we’re going to make for dinner, and I might have a dinner partner. So I’m teaching my kids how to cook. There’ve been times when we have had… It’s been a rough day, or whatever, and I’m like, “Well, we’re done.” So we close everything and we’re just like, “Take a drive. Let’s go to the park.” Right now, because of the Rona, we really can’t go anywhere. And so, we’ve been taking our kids to places that are off the beaten path. Right?

[Zan] Right.

[Heidi] And just exploring and get outside, for goodness’ sake. I mean…

[Zan] On your first day of school, do something fun.

[Heidi] Yes.

[Zan] Figure out where you can go. And instead of being tied to your desks and a checklist of things to do, get out and celebrate your first day of homeschooling. If you live here, go take a walk.

[Heidi] I love it.

[Zan] Do anything to celebrate this new normal for you because you will love it.

[Heidi] You will love it. I love that. So don’t be worried all the time. There’s no reason for all the things that I worried about, are our kids going to be okay? Are they going to grow to be healthy adults? Are they going to be able to get into college? Zan and I have both homeschooled children all the way through high school. We both have grandchildren now who are being homeschooled. And the answer to all those things is a resounding: your kids are going to be just fine. And in fact, they’re going to be more than fine. They’re going to thrive. So, stop worrying. You don’t need to do… You don’t need to be a worrywart.

I’m looking down our list. We’re going to have a friend join us in just a minute. So your friend Eugena is going to come on the show and we’re going to talk a little bit about a Facebook party that’s coming up, some opportunities for homeschoolers in the next couple of days, I think that are going to be really awesome. So join she’ll join us, hopefully in a couple of minutes here. But one of the things that you and I talked about as we’re making our little list of do’s and don’ts was don’t homeschool with your laptop open. Don’t homeschool on your phone. Don’t homeschool on social media. Zan, what happens when we do that?

[Zan] Well, we lose our kids. We have an opportunity when we homeschool to speak into their lives. And if they see you on your screen all the time, on social media all the time, then— kids aren’t dumb. They know real quickly where they come in terms of your priorities. So, shut down social media, shut down your laptop, do whatever, do whatever you need to do to have those good hours, usually in the morning, with your kids, with no interruptions.

[Heidi] Yeah. Yeah. It’s so important.  Oh good. Eujeana is on the phone with us today. Eujeana, this is a great time for you to jump into the conversation because we are talking about not being on your phone all the time when you’re homeschooling, because really…

[Eujeana] Right.

[Heidi] Can I just say, Heidi St. John, the woman who has 11 million people that follow me on social media, it’s a thing. Like, “Oh, my phone went off.” “Oh, somebody needs me.” “Oh, I’m getting a text message.” And you start to feel like you’re important to everybody, but your kids. And your kids will remember that. We’re just going to encourage you, engage, engage.

The last one on our list of dos and don’ts for those of you who are homeschooling this year, is to do just delight in your kids, to love them, to cherish them, to pray for them to build relationships. And this is frankly, it’s a good reminder for me, because I’ve been homeschooling now for, I don’t know, 60 million plus years, I think. This is what happens when you got a 20-year spread in between seven children. I’m just like, “Can we be done?” Because I’ve been doing this really a long time and I have to tell myself, “No, these last couple of kids I have at home, this is a precious, precious thing.” And it really, really goes by fast.

Eujeana, you know that, right?

[Eujeana] Oh yes. Definitely. I used to set my phone for certain rings so that I would hear a family member’s ring only, but anything else, I learned to ignore it. I had to.

[Heidi] You know what I did? I did that for calls I didn’t want to take.

[Eujeana] Yeah. That works too.

[Heidi] There was one person who shall remain nameless. I come up on my phone and the Addams family song would play, and I tell my kids,” Don’t touch that. Don’t touch the phone. Don’t touch it.”

[Eujeana] That’s right. That works.

[Heidi] There’s a lot of different ways. I’ve told parents too, over the years, “Put your phone in homeschool mode, otherwise known as airplane mode. Nobody is going to die if they can’t reach you for a couple of hours every morning while you’re homeschooling your kids.” And it’s so important. Eujeana, you’ve homeschooled four kids. Right? All the way through.

[Eujeana] I have. All the way through. From the get-go.

[Heidi] You only twitch on Thursdays.

[Eujeana] That’s right. Just Thursdays.

[Heidi] Just on Thursdays. It’s good.

[Eujeana] Usually my twitching came about January.

[Heidi] It’s true. Right. You know what happens is, this is real talk. I think it’s good. The reason that homeschool moms start twitching in January is because we take a break for Christmas.

[Eujeana] That’s right.

[Heidi] And then when it’s time to get going again, we don’t want to. We just want to keep on the break. Am I right?

[Eujeana] That’s exactly right.

[Heidi] We just want to keep on the break. Eujeana, tell us what you guys do. So you and Zan are working together a little bit, and you’ve come on today to tell us about a really awesome opportunity that’s coming up for homeschoolers to have a little fun. So what’s going on?

[Eujeana] That’s right. We like to party. We like to party. I have learned all these years that it is so much fun. Well, and we don’t get to get together. Especially this year, we’re not getting to get together, but for the last three years…

[Heidi] Thank you rona.

[Eujeana] That’s right. For the last three years we have been able to come up with a plan to party, and we have an online party every year. We did the one in April and we had a blast, and it takes about a little over six months to plan for that party, believe it or not, just to put everything together.

[Heidi] I believe it, because I’ve been part of your parties.

[Eujeana] That’s right.

[Heidi] You guys, you really know how to party. When Heidi St. John does a party, it looks a little like this. “What time is it? Oh, it’s my child’s birthday. Should we have a party tonight?” And then I run to the Dollar Tree and I get the thing, and we do it… but you guys have actually put a lot of time and energy into this thing.

[Eujeana] We do.

[Heidi] What can people expect? What are we going to be doing?

[Eujeana] We are going to be talking, in July… we’re having our party, July 21st through the 23rd. It’s kind of a follow up party from our spring party. And the neat thing is, once you’re in the group for the parties, you have access to all the previous content that we’ve displayed, all the live sessions we did, all the drawing threads that we did where there’s communication. But we try to come up with new things as much as we can for each subsequent party. This time we’re going to be talking about, I know I have a special speaker coming in on Tuesday. I wonder who that might be.

[Heidi] I have no idea. Tell us.

[Eujeana] I don’t have a clue, Heidi. We’re really excited about that. I was looking at what we had asked you to kind of talk on it. And I was looking at your session that we were going to do, and it’s a jungle out there. Isn’t it though? Especially with rona around? Oh my word.

[Heidi] Especially with the rona. You guys ever watch Monk?

[Eujeana] Yes.

[Zan] Yes.

[Heidi] It’s a jungle out there.

[Eujeana] Yes. Exactly.

[Heidi] Especially, it’s like bandits everywhere, all these mass marauders everywhere. I can’t actually handle it.

[Eujeana] Oh my goodness. So we’re going to talk about getting started. Zan is going to talk about finding delight in homeschooling, and I’m really excited about that one because it is delightful to homeschool, but it can be crazy some days too. So finding that delight, especially if this wasn’t in your plans. If this wasn’t in your plans, then that’s a good one. We have one of our consultants from HomeWorks coming on, and she’s going to talk about those interruptions in the homeschool day. Because we always have those.

[Heidi] No, we don’t. Come on, no we don’t.

[Eujeana] Yeah. We do.

[Heidi] Come on. You wake up in the morning and you make your plan, and it always goes like you make it.

[Eujeana] Exactly.

[Heidi] You wake up and you’re like, “Kids, this is what we’re going to do, math and spend some time in God’s word.” And then everything works according to schedule, right?

[Eujeana] Sure. But sometimes we have a plan and an interruption is a small interruption. Maybe there’s a pipe leak and you’re thinking that’s a small interruption. Well, it can be. It can be large. But then other days you’re getting ready to walk out the door to go minister at the nursing home, and then there’s a tornado coming, and you kind of reverse. I had that happen one year.

[Heidi] I was going to say, “Why does this sound like a personal story?”

[Eujeana] That is a personal story, and it literally, our house was the only one that didn’t have a hole in it that day.

[Heidi] Holy moly.

[Eujeana] It was horrible. It was horrible. But you never know. And how do we handle those interruptions in our homeschool day? The neat thing about that particular story, Heidi, is my son was asked to speak at our church. It was his senior year and he was asked, the next week he was supposed to be speaking, before the tornado came through.

Well, afterwards, I said, “Are you still set to speak next week?” And he said, “No, mom. There’s no way I can do that.” I looked at him and said, “The Lord protected the shed where the man cave is, where all his equipment was,” and I said, “He gave you a whole story to tell because he protected our home and seven of us that were in the home.” And I mean to tell you, he made the best presentation about how the Lord protected us. So there are teachable moments through those interruptions. I’m really excited that our consultant is going to talk about interruptions and what to do during those interruptions, because they’re going to come, and it’s okay.

[Heidi] Yeah, they are. That’s right. They are.

[Eujeana] And I could tell many stories, as you guys can.

[Heidi] I know. You have to laugh, right?

[Eujeana] Yes, you do.

[Heidi] At some point, I always tell people, “Listen, after 25 years and seven kids in homeschooling, something has to be funny.” You have to reach a point where you’re like, “Well, I can’t believe we survived that.” Right now, it’s going to be like, “We homeschooled during the rona.”

Listen guys, you’re going to have an amazing story to tell. God’s going to give you an amazing story and part of what we’re going to be doing at this Facebook party, I love interacting with people that come on. That’s probably one of my favorite things, just being able to talk to people as they come on, asking them questions, getting answers and hearing from people. But I think one of the goals that we have is just that people will leave feeling encouraged. They’re going to leave feeling like…

[Eujeana] They will.

[Heidi] …”Okay, I can actually do this thing.” And you guys, you might leave with some free stuff. Really who doesn’t want some free stuff?

[Eujeana] That’s right. We have those drawing threads.

[Heidi] All the socialists are like, “Sign us up. Where do we go?”

[Eujeana] We have usually 10 drawing threads a day. And I’m actually bumping that up to 12 because we’re going to get dads involved in those drawing threads this time.

[Heidi] I like it.

[Eujeana] I’m really excited about that. Zan and I were talking about that. We went live in the party today, this morning, and we were talking about that this morning. So we’re going to have those drawings threads and in those drawing threads, what’s so neat about the drawing threads is we’re asking them to share, like share a picture of your space and how you homeschool. And then everybody’s helping each other.

[Heidi] I love it.

[Eujeana] It’s that community, bringing together community. And then we pull a random drawing out of those that participate in the thread and share with each other about their homeschool journey, and encouragement, and Scripture, and verses, and how have you maintained during this weird time and things like that. So it’s not just about us sharing, but everybody gets to share with each other in that way. So I’m really excited about this party and all of our parties. We just have a good time. And when we come on the screen live, we even got party hats this last time. And we put our party hats and our glasses and everything on, and we just love to be with everybody.

[Heidi] Oh, there it is.

[Eujeana] Look there.

[Heidi] I’m taking your pictures and smile. This is so funny.

[Eujeana] She’s got to finish.

[Heidi] This is so awesome.

[Eujeana] We do. I’ve got mine right behind me. I’m not going to pull mine out right now.

[Heidi] This is going to be fun. I think this is really cute, Zan. So when you get on, we’re using Squadcast, to record this. It’s going to go out on Anchor in a couple of their podcasts things. Well, I’m laughing because my name in the little corner, mine says Heidi @thebusymom. Can you guys see this? And Eujeana has… How do you say your last name?

[Eujeana] Chism.

[Heidi] I was going to say that, but I thought I’d better not mess it up. So you’re says Eujeana Chism and Zan says courageous astronaut.

[Eujeana] Astronaut. I saw that. I was like, “What?”

[Heidi] I was like, “Zan, did you put your name in?” I think that what happens is when she comes on here is she doesn’t pick a name, Squadcast picks one for you. And so we’re just going to call Zan the courageous astronaut, this will be our thing for the next however long.

[Zan] I’m going to put it in my resume.

[Eujeana] That’s right.

[Heidi] Courageous astronaut. I super love it.

[Zan] Like Dan. Yes.

[Heidi] Yeah. Exactly.

[Zan] An honorary designation.

[Eujeana] Well, she is very courageous, that’s for sure.

[Heidi] She is. Actually, Zan could be anything she wants to be, so she could be a courageous astronaut. In the age of the Rona, anything is possible. Okay? Anything. So I hope you guys have enjoyed this. We’re going to wrap up. I want to remind everybody where they can find you guys. If they go to homeschoolhelp.com/party, they can find you and sign up for it. The Facebook party runs July 21st to 23rd. If you guys would like to talk to somebody in person about homeschooling, you can find a HomeWorks consultant in your area by going to homeschoolhelp.com/map, remember I told you guys on Friday, you have to think of Dora the Explorer? I’m the map. I’m the map. Just go there, and that’s where you can find it. Homeschoolhelp.com/map.

So hope you guys… I’ll link back to all those things in the show notes today. Eujeana and Zan. Thank you so much for joining me. I know you guys are going to encourage a whole lot of people at this Facebook party thing we got going on and it’s going to be… Homeschooling should be fun. So this is a great way to kick off the school year. Thank you guys so much for coming on the show.

[Eujeana] Thanks for having us.

[Zan] It’s been great.

[Heidi] You guys are awesome. And for more information about Zan and all the things that we’ve talked about today, and in fact, I think I’ll list those dos and don’ts, I think there it’s probably good to just put them into a graphic and stick them up there so you guys can print it out and put it on your refrigerator. Okay? Because you might need that. I hope you guys are encouraged. You can find all that information at Heidistjohn.com/podcast. And I hope you’ll join us at our Facebook party where we’re going to have some fun, give some stuff away and that’s happening on July 21st to 23rd. Go to homeschoolhelp.com/party for more information.

Thanks for tuning in today and for leaving reviews for the podcast over at iTunes, we love you guys. We’re praying for you. Stay faithful and I’ll see you back here tomorrow.