As Christians, we know we’re supposed to be holy, set apart, and different than the world. But the reality is—the lives of many Christians look a lot more like the culture than like Christ. The question the devout are seeking today is: What does it really look like to follow Christ in a culture of darkness? Join me and my friend, author Dale Partridge as we talk about this very important topic!
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Widely known as an online thought leader on faith, family, and church; Dale is also a Bible teacher and Wall Street Journal bestselling author read by millions. He and his wife Veronica produce a Top 100 Christian podcast titled Real Christianity, lead a biblical marriage program at UltimateMarriage.com, and operate a global church planting ministry at RelearnChurch.org.
Dale studied biblical theology at Western Theological Seminary and now serves a network of house churches in the Pacific Northwest. At the core, Dale’s mission is to bring the church back to the Bible. Together, they live with their children on a small farm in Bend, Oregon.
Hey everybody, this is Heidi St John. Welcome to the podcast. Today is Friday, December the 13th this is episode number 857. I’m so glad you guys are here. It’s meet my friend Friday and as always I want to have people here who are bright lights for the Lord and can help you walk in closer relationship with the Lord and today is no exception to that. My friend Dale Partridge is on the line with me and we’re going to have a great conversation about his new book, Real Christianity and what it means to walk with Christ in the culture today. Stick around. I think you’re going to be encouraged.
All right, so you guys, thanks to everybody who came out to Godspeed Calvary chapel last weekend to hear me speak. That was a great event and my schedule for 2020 is pretty well full. Now, if you’re interested in finding out where I’m going to be for 2020 please visit me online, heidistjohn.com/events. Also want to say thanks to everybody who’s been sending Christmas cards to me here at firmly planted family. We are filling up the walls here at the resource center and it’s just encouraging for us to see so many of you, hundreds of you who are sending pictures of your families and stories of what God’s doing in your life, so thank you for doing that. Keep doing it. You can send those to me here at firmly planted family and as always I will put the address in the show notes for you today.
All right. Without further ado, I want to introduce my friend Dale Partridge to you. Dale has a very strong voice for faith and Christianity in the culture right now. He’s someone I greatly respect. Admire what he’s doing, is a brand new book out that I received a couple of weeks ago and I loved it and I really wanted to come on the show and talk about it. Dale is really an online thought leader and he’s a Bible teacher and he and his wife Veronica produce a weekly podcast titled Real Christianity. They lead a marriage program ultimatemarriage.com and they operate a global church planning ministry at relearnchurch.org. Basically, Dale never takes a nap. So Dale Partridge, welcome back to the show my friend.
[Dale] Yes, excited to be here. Good conversation. We are busy and in a busy season of life with three kids. When you’re as busy as we are, some reason it just… This is normal life for us but when you say it out loud and I get to hear it like that, it does sound a little ridiculous.
[Heidi] Yes, it does. We know that there’s… The old adage is true. If you want to get something done, ask a busy person. I think that’s true. So Dale, you have been… You and I have had this conversation before about really a crisis that’s been happening in the church and I talk about it quite a bit here at the podcast and trying to get listeners off the bench and onto the battlefield to say, listen, it matters. It matters how we walk out our faith in this life. It matters what we about Christianity, what it means to be a Christian.
You have… Basically you’re going back to basics and you’re addressing some of these topics very simply and very concisely in your book. I want to start there because it’s a question I get here at the podcast occasionally from listeners who will say, “Well, I thought I was a Christian.” I want to start there because I think the basics… We got to go back to basics really in the church today because the church has done a terrible job. Somehow we decided that doctrine doesn’t matter and theology is just something that we sing in our hands if we want to, but that’s actually not true. I’m wondering if we can start at the very beginning, which is really where you pick it up in your new book, Real Christianity and talk about how a person can know if he’s actually saved.
[Dale] Yes, it’s a good starting point. We have so many people in the church that were I would say sold into Christianity or said yes under false expectations. When you have a church that creates an emotional experience that I would say is even a spiritual manipulating experience to accept Jesus without fully understanding what you’re accepting. I think that’s a big thing is…
If we look at Jesus, what he did, he was very clear and direct about what it means to follow him. Actually in Luke 14:25 this is how Jesus doesn’t alter call. It says, “Now great multitudes went with him and he turned to them and said, if anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, his own life also, he cannot be my disciple and whoever does not bear his cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple. For which of you intending to build a tower does not sit down first and count the cost whether it is enough to finish it.”
The idea is this, one is that Jesus is really raw. He’s saying, you’re making a massive life commitment here. This is… You have to prioritize me above everything else. You have to love me more than you love your parents, more than you love your wife, more than you love your children, more than you love your siblings, more than you love your own life also or you can’t even be my disciple. If you don’t pick up that cross that instrument to kill your flesh, that thing that dies off that that allows you to just not be you, and come after me, you can’t be my disciple.
He actually uses this analogy here of which one of you intending to build a tower does not sit down to first count the costs whether there’s enough to finish it? Then He goes on and says, last after laying the foundation, he’s not able to finish it and everybody begins to mock him. The idea is that he goes, “What kind of person doesn’t sit down and count the cost before you make a commitment like this?”
Sad reality is that doesn’t happen in the institutional church. You’re just saying yes to something you don’t even fully understand, which is not what Jesus did. We have a lot of Christians in the church right now that signed up for Christianity but don’t really understand what Christianity is. Now, I’m not saying that they’re not justified, that they don’t believe in Christ and that doesn’t actually make them saved. I’m just saying there’s a lack of maturity and intellectual understanding.
When Jesus says that the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. The mental side of it is that we need to understand the intellectual. We need to understand what the word of God says we should understand according to the word of God in regards to salvation. What I want to say is start off with is… that was my preface but basically: belief in Christ doesn’t necessarily make you Christian either.
A lot of people go, “Oh, I believe in Jesus.” It’s like great. James 2:19 says even the demons believe in Jesus.
[Heidi] Yes, was just going to say, that’s been around for awhile.
[Dale] Yes, belief in Christ doesn’t actually make you Christian, but what does make you a Christian is Romans 10:9 and this is I would say, a full exposition of what it takes. It says that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Now, I don’t want to get into all the mechanics of arguments here. I think that you are saved by faith alone in Christ alone.
But this concept, it gives it a little bit more depth to that statement is that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, so that word confess is Homa Gail. It means to acknowledge or to be in agreement with. To be in agreement and confess and acknowledge out loud with your mouth the Lord Jesus. That Jesus is Lord, is what it would say in the ESV, that he’s Lord. He literally owned you. You were bought at a price. Your body is not your own. These ideas that you relinquished the authority of your life. You now have a Lord. It is not you on the throne. It is him. Your will be done father, not mine.
That’s a big part of it. It’s not just belief, but it’s the relinquishing of your own life, calling him Lord, declaring that being in agreement with him and it says, believe in your heart. This means that it surpasses an intellectual understanding, it’s not believe with your mind. It sets this idea that believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you’re going to be saved.
We got to have a recognition at this moment also what this means, that God raised him from the dead. He actually connected the resurrection in terms of the belief of the gospel. I mean 1 Corinthians 15 gives us full exposition of why if the resurrection is not true, then the gospel isn’t true. You’ve got to also believe in the resurrection and basically what he’s saying is that you’ve got to believe that God’s resurrecting of Jesus was his validation of the atoning work that Jesus did on the cross.
These are some complex ideas, but this is day one Christianity. This is basic Paul’s writing that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Breaking that down and what that really means is day one Christianity and we don’t get a lot of that. I think that really evaluating yourself against scripture, and this conversation is obviously so much more deeper than this, but evaluating yourself against these truths is really critical in understanding the basics of the faith.
[Heidi] Well, and what I’m hearing you say, if I can back up to just about a minute ago, was that there is no such thing as a costless Christianity and in the culture right now, that’s really what the church, the modern church at least, has embraced. This idea of a costless Christianity. Hey, just come to our secret service and accept Lord Jesus and go back to life as it always was. But now you’re saying you’re going to heaven. But what I’m hearing you say is that actually is not what God’s word says. It doesn’t work that way.
[Dale] I mean basically when Jesus says you have to pick up your cross and follow me, it’s this idea of self-denial. A cross, what it does is it kills your body. It kills your flesh. The idea of picking up your cross and following Jesus, again, following isn’t I followed him that one day. It’s this continuous movement of following and making him Lord and growing in sanctification closer to him.
If there’s not an evidence in your life that you’re becoming less and Christ is becoming more in Galatians 2:20, “I’ve been crucified with Christ it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I do live now, I live in the flesh by faith in the Son of God who loved and gave himself for me.” This idea that Paul’s saying, “Hey, it’s not even me who lives anymore, it’s Christ in me.
If that’s not come to the surface in your life, maybe slowly we’re all on a journey. But again, these are the things you need to evaluate. Costless Christianity is not a thing according to scripture. Jesus is all in this idea of he who wants to save his life will lose it, but he loses his life for my sake will find it. There’s just this, are you all in with Christ or you’re half dead? You haven’t really been… You’ve been halfway born again. You halfway died on the altar. You’re hobbling in to the kingdom of God. Is that what’s going on or are you, “Man, I’m all in. I’ve given my life up. I’m here to serve Jesus. His will be done in my life.”
[Heidi] You have an awesome quote toward the beginning of your book from Paul Washer and he said, “The most dangerous prayer human being could ever pray. Lord, make me like Christ. I don’t care if you have to dethrone me, I don’t care if you have to tear apart my ministry. I don’t care if you have to destroy me. I don’t care what happens. Make me like Jesus Christ. It’s practically calling a death sentence upon yourself. But then again, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it abideth alone. But if it dies, it bring it forth much fruit.” Can you unpack that just a little bit because I thought that… I’ve read that quote before and I think it’s profound, but I also think it applies to the culture now in a way that I have not seen it apply in my lifetime.
[Dale] Yes and he references the scripture that talks about a seed must die before it comes back to life. There’s several passage scriptures. They talk about this idea of sowing in harvest and what that looks like. This is an agrarian culture in the Bible. So they understand this concept very well. We might not, but the idea is that this prayer of going, Oh Lord, make me like Christ. I don’t care what it takes. I don’t care what selfishness you need to remove from me. What desires that are not of you, whatever is in me that needs to go. Even parts of me that I like about myself, father, get rid of them if it takes it to make me more like your son, Jesus Christ.
That prayer is a really scary prayer. I’ve actually said this prayer face down on the floor going, “Lord, I just want your will to be done in my life. Father, I want to be used by you.” The answer to that prayer isn’t always what we expect it to be. I remember praying that prayer about two years ago and then I got sick for about a year and a half and that was a moment of the Lord accomplished work in me through that time of trial and suffering that he could not have accomplished in any other way.
I’m not saying that’s… I’m not projecting that on anybody, but I’m just saying is that the Lord used that prayer in a variety of ways and allowed me to have suffering and that it made me more like Christ. It is. It’s a scary thing to the flesh. Amazing thing to the spirit.
[Heidi] Well and I think as we evaluate because really that’s what you’re doing. I mean to me when I read Real Christianity and in fact I always come away with this feeling whenever I have conversations with you about the church. It’s a call to look in the mirror. It’s not a call to look at people around you. It has to start with what is God doing in my life? What is there in my life that is keeping me from being the man or the woman that God has called me to be and living out the gospel in the way that God would have me do it.
Really, we’ve lost our way. You talk about this in the book, Western Christianity has lost its way in accomplishing the great commission and telling people about the gospel. When I read that, the first time I thought, well one of the first ways we’ve lost our way is just in the quiet places of our hearts where we’re really actually not walking with the Lord, “Walking with God” When people aren’t watching.
We’re really great about Instagraming our devotions, really great about talking about, how God’s working in our lives. But then when nobody’s looking, we’re struggling with pornography, we’re struggling with the speech that comes out of our mouths. We’re struggling with what we’re reading and what we’re drinking. We’re struggling just in the very basics of land on our lives because we don’t know what that looks like. I’m wondering if you can comment on that just for a minute, just to talk about how we’ve lost our way. Not only how we’ve lost our way because I think we can agree that that’s what’s happening, but how do we get back.
[Dale] What you’re saying is basically what I think is true of many people’s observations. Is that you can’t take people to places you’ve never been. You can’t… It’s like we’re selling tickets to a show we haven’t actually seen. That has become an issue where Christianity today is… We’re inviting people to come along to this journey to the kitty pool. Come along to the kitty pool. Yes, it’s really great.
They’re missing the entire deep end of the pool over there. There’s an ocean and that we can get way deep with the Lord. There’s not many people that are over there in the American Western church. I think that we’re yearning and homesick and hungry for that more deep, rich biblical expression of Christianity, that vibrant just on fire, explosive Christianity that you see in the scriptures.
I think getting back to that starts with first understanding it and that’s why I really believe that there’s a doctrine problem. There’s an intellectual problem, but also there’s a heart problem. In America, we plant churches here, house churches here in North America and we also are in the beginning of trying to help out the persecuted church in the middle East.
What we’re seeing is that in the Western church, I actually had a friend of mine tell me that it’s far harder to plant churches in the West than it is to plant churches in a persecutor territory like Iran.
[Heidi] I think that’s absolutely true. Yes.
[Dale] He says because what you’re dealing with over here is the kingdom of self. The kingdom of self is heavily defended territory. This idea of self love and self care and selfishness, it is literally standing in opposition of the self-denial call of the gospel. We are so infatuated with self that it really inhibits our ability to fully embrace the gospel, fully embrace Christian community, fully embrace the church, fully embrace the one another.
As a church planner, a pastor, that seems to be the thing that I think is holding back the church in such a big way is that we’re just missing the selflessness required for advancing the kingdom of God. We’re so concerned about our own platform and our own success story and our own money, and our own kingdom and our own family’s welfare that we’re not concerned about others. Love is the central Mark. We think we know love, but we don’t know biblical love.
Biblical love is painful. It almost hurts the flesh. It’s confusing to the flesh. We’re searching, we’re yearning and I think it really comes back with a revival and it does begin with repentance, it begins with prayer, begins with that prayer that you mentioned at the front of my book. We need to start on our face. Lord reveal to me more of you so that I can just forget me and I want more of you. That prayer is something that we should be antheming in our hearts.
[Heidi] Well, and it is a dangerous prayer because we’re saying to the Lord, you have your ways let me having my way, which is really what their flesh wants. I mean, that’s what I want. If we’re going to get right down to it at the end of the day. Does Heidi St John want to be uncomfortable? No. I like my creature comforts. I don’t like it when the Lord pushes me beyond where I’m comfortable going. I said this a couple of years ago when my nephew was in this devastating car accident. I was speaking somewhere in the South and I said, “Here in the church we sing the song spirit lead me where my trust is without borders. Let me walk along the water where ever you…”
But we don’t mean it, we’re just singing it because it’s a great tune. We like to raise our hand and we like to sing it. I’m always telling parents, listen, I’m watching an entire generation of parents whose kids are not walking, they’re running away from the Lord. They’re running away from the Lord. We’re watching absolute take over, an evil take over really that’s happened in our public schools now for generations.
I’m seeing these parents going, what do I do? What do I do? But we’re not walk with the Lord in the private places of our own home. We’re not willing to say, Lord, take me and mean it. Lead me where you want me to go and we can’t give our kids what we don’t have. We can’t pass on what we don’t possess. These parents who are saying, I want to pass this deep rich faith on to my kids and my heart’s cry for many years, which is why Jay and I started this podcast is to say it has to start with you. It has to start with me. How can my child… How can I pray for my children to walk in right relationship with the Lord if I’m not willing to do it. I feel like that’s the Anthem cry of real Christianity. You’re saying, “Hey guys, we got to turn the ship around. It starts right here.”
[Dale] Exactly. I want to tell you a story. You guys live in Vancouver, right?
[Dale] This is actually a story about a couple that moved to Vancouver. This is a couple that moved to Vancouver from Iran. They were persecuted Christians Iranians from Iran. They moved to Vancouver because they had a blessing of a ministry to get them there. This couple grew up in the persecuted church last couple of years over there and was just trying to raise a family.
It was super difficult. Women get raped often over there. Men are are made fools in front of their families, imprisoned, beaten. You can’t have your Bible out, let alone study it, let alone have public discourse about it. Man, they were living in the persecuted church and they finally got a chance, an opportunity to come to the States.
They did come to the States and after being in the States for a handful of… I think it was maybe not even a year, but a little over a year, they made a decision. The wife actually came to the husband and said, “You know what? I actually think that it’s more dangerous to be here in the United States than it is to be back in Iran. The sleepiness, the spirit sleepiness of America is more dangerous than the physical persecution of Iran.” And they moved back.
This is the stuff that we realize our children are running away because we’re against… The enemy is good at his job. Okay. We think that this is an easy place to live. To the flesh, it’s an easy place to live. To the spirit, this is dangerous territory in America.
[Heidi] It’s mortally wounding to the human soul here. I think largely because of the things that you and I have just been talking about and the complacency of the church that’s here and what we’re embracing. I’m just a hop, skip and a jump away from Portland and I’m always telling people, “Look I can go into downtown Portland at any given time and you just walk these streets of Portland.”
You can tell by what they’ve got on the stickers in front of their churches and the flags that we fly. It’s a false gospel. It’s a false Christianity that we’ve got here and it really is based on a love of self. Whatever makes you comfortable. Oh, you’re not… It makes you uncomfortable that we’ve said homosexuality. God says homosexuality said, “Hey, come to our church and we’ll make you feel more comfortable.”
We’re all about our comfort here. Jesus’ life was the opposite of that. You talk in your book about the role that obedience plays in salvation. I think that it’s a crucial point of what we’re talking about right now because there’s a part of us, that will always be in opposition to the Lord unless we’re constantly on our faces.
I mean, I battle… I don’t know about you, Dale, sounds like you don’t, but I battle my flesh every single day. Every day. I’m like, “Lord, I got to lay that down.” Oh man, I can’t believe I had that thought. Or I said that word or my kid pushed me to the point where I was like, Ooh, I cannot believe that just came out of my mouth.
Why, because sin lurks in my heart. That’s what David said. Right? We have to be constantly willing to crucify our own flesh. It’s not something that happens once when we become a Christian. Correct. It happens, I think on the regular. I’m wondering when you said that obedience plays a role in salvation, can you flesh that out just a little bit? I don’t want to give your whole book away, but I think this is important for listeners to understand.
[Dale] I mean, basically it’s talking about the idea that faith without works is dead. Right? We hate that as a church sometimes that idea that Faith without works is dead. Your works aren’t what save you, but they’re the evidence you’re saved.
[Heidi] There you go.
[Dale] The idea of obedience is the fruit of salvation. It’s not the root of salvation. The truth is that if someone isn’t walking obediently to the scriptures and they’re a new believer, I go, okay, maybe it’s ignorance. If they’re 10 years in believer and they’re not walking according to scripture, then I go, well maybe they’re not understanding what it means to be a Christian here.
Maybe they’re potentially not saved. I mean, we’re supposed to evaluate people. We’re not supposed to judge anybody salvation, but we’re supposed to evaluate people. We’ll know them by their fruits. If I see a brother that has no works, that has no fruit of the spirit pouring out of his life, he’s also in bondage and addiction to pornography or alcohol or whatever it may be. He’s incredibly depressed. I go, man brother.
It gives me at least a reason to question of going, “Hey, do you fully understand the gospel? Do we need to do back to square one and have a discussion?” Or, “Where’s the disconnect here? Because I’m not seeing Christ in you here.” And again, we don’t get to make a judgment call if someone has saved or not saved. Man looks on the outside, the Lord looks at the heart. But obedience and holiness, first Peter says that Christians are to be Holy as God is Holy.
This idea of personal holiness is definitely absent from the church today. I did a podcast on the missing element of the modern church about this idea of holiness is absent and we do, we need to be Holy and set apart and different. It is the Mark of maturity to have obedient. It also is authority because Jesus says that you can’t even go and correct somebody if you’ve got a giant plank in your own eye.
You’re not going to… You can’t even really go forward in teaching and growing and discipling. You have no discipling to do if you have all the sin in your own life. Again, I’m not perfect. I’m not… I still struggle with my own flesh too, but I am more mature than many of these new believers and many other younger believers, because I’ve been doing this and I’ve been walking with the Lord longer and there’s been more sanctification that’s happened in my life.
Now there’s still a million mile gap to continue on with the Lord and I. But we need to be able to really show that we can walk in these truths of scripture. If we ever expect to teach them to anybody else.
[Heidi] Yes, that’s right. Over here, at the resource center and Jay and I have been doing this for a long time, trying to get people to get off the bench and onto the battlefield. We realized a long time ago these guys aren’t ready to get off the bench. They don’t know how to put their armor on. There wobbling out onto the battlefield.
We are surrounded right now by evil. I mean it is… I totally agree with your friend’s assessment of what it’s like to live here in the United States and be a believer here. One of the things you address in the book is this idea of recognizing we’re in a culture of darkness and learning how to get off the bench and onto the battlefield. How to be bold for Christ.
Can you touch on that for just a minute? The person who’s listening to this, who’s saying, I’m ready. I’m going to make that decision. I’m going to get serious about my walk with the Lord. I’m going to start studying his word and to be exactly what Paul exhorted Timothy, right? A Workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed. Who can rightly divide God’s word. Once we’ve made that decision, how can we be bold for Christ when we realize we’re literally surrounded by darkness.
[Dale] Yes, I think again, it’s training. It’s pretty rare for… The heart cannot exalt what the mind does not understand. First I think it needs to be about going, “Lord, teach me. I want to know you and know who you are.” I think it starts first with your personal relationship with God and I would say, going deeper than the trade paperback books that come out of the Christian machine publishers that pump out these books every single day.
I think it goes back to read some of the classics, get into AW Tozer, get into some Charles Spurgeon stuff. Go back to some of the persecuted Christians in the early church, the Puritans, some of the stuff that’s there that is rich and really committed, unique, bold, mature Christianity and get a chance to bathe yourself in a era of the body that is so much different than it is today.
I think about the scripture 1 Peter 3:15 about but sanctify the Lord your God and in your hearts and always be ready to give it a fence to everyone who asks you for the hope that is in you and to do so with meekness and in fear or in reverence. Basically, what this is saying is that witnessing and talking about Jesus and answering people’s questions is a reactive work in most cases.
It’s a result of curiosity. It’s actually, if you read the beginning of first Peter chapter one and two, you realize that this is a reaction because of the curiosity that people have due to the holiness and sanctification in your life. Because you’re so different and set apart, people are going to ask you why you have hope. You need to be always prepared to give a defense for that answer. The thing I want to say is that if people don’t have questions for you, you should be concerned.
That’s a sign that you actually don’t look any different. You don’t even apparently have nothing to offer in terms of a visual capacity. People aren’t going, Oh wow, this person’s unique. I want to find out why. The bigger question is if the culture at large no longer has questions for the church at large, we should even be more concerned because ultimately the church has become so close to the culture or similar to the culture that there’s no more questions about the culture. We’ve literally accommodated the culture. We don’t even look any different. We are…
[Heidi] We’ve just assimilated.
[Dale] Yes, we’ve assimilated and so I just go, be prepared. I think you hit the nail on the head with that 1 Timothy or 2 Timothy 2:15 verse, be diligent to show yourself approved. That that verse is so critical. People, it starts with you and I’m going to say this to be clear. I think this is probably a good place as we start to close out today.
Is don’t look at this like it’s some sort of habit to form. Don’t look at this as this is behavior modification. It’s not what we’re talking about here. What I’m talking about is this. Go lay on the floor, face down and go, “Lord, I want to want to pray more. I want to want to study more. I want to want to preach the gospel more, but father, I need you to input that hunger in me.”
Father, I want you to create that craving in me. Come in me. Invite the Lord to go… Give me a passion and a hunger for you. Lord, let it be you that’s offering this hunger and let me respond and reciprocate, cooperate with the Holy spirit that I can work with you in obedience to follow these promptings. Lord, but it’s not me by myself, but it’s actually fueled by you. That is the part that starts with it so that it’s just this passion that comes from the Lord and it’s not behavior modification by you.
[Heidi] I love that and it’s a great place to end the podcast today because I think that’s something that people can take home with them. That’s something that you can… That’s a starting place to say, “Okay, now I know. I’m going to start right here.” We hear from people every day here at the show who are… One of the reasons I love this audience so much, and I know they’re going to respond to this, Dale, because listeners here they’re wanting to walk in closer relationship with the Lord.
I really thank you for putting a little bit more feet to that today to say, “Here’s what you need to evaluate and here’s a way to move forward. How can listeners get ahold of your book, Real Christianity?
[Dale] You can pick it up at Amazon, Audible. If you buy it from our ministry, which is shop.relearnchurch.org we have a store there. It’s really easy checkout and we make a little bit more money if you buy it through our store. But you can also buy it on Amazon and Kindle and all the things. We also have a podcast called Real Christianity. It’s by the same title as the book. We have several tens of thousands of listeners there that you can also join our ministry and hear more from our journey over there on that show.
[Heidi] It’s exciting for me and I know a lot of you are listening to this and you’re trying to write stuff down, but your hands are in the dishwater so don’t worry about it. I’m going to link back to all things, Dale Partridge in the show notes today. You can find out where to get his book. I’ll link back to it also to his podcast and to the ministry that he and his wife have been so faithfully stewarding for all these years.
So Dale, I really appreciate you coming on the show. I appreciate your passion to see the church actually be who God says he has called us to be. Thank you so much for your dedication and for coming on the show, taking the time today.
[Dale] Thank you so much for having me.
[Heidi] For those of you who want more information about Dale Partridge and his new book real Christianity, go to heidistjohn.com/podcast and scroll down. This podcast is transcribed and the links will be there for you. Also, we have a brand new study at Mom’s Strong International. I know there’s a lot of women now. I think we’re up to almost 15,000 of you at the scripture writing challenge and a couple thousand of you who are doing the Bible study with me each month.
I have a passion to see you guys get into the word, know it, and be able to defend it. We cannot pass onto our children what we don’t possess. We want to study to show ourselves as approved workman unto God, who do not need to be ashamed and who can rightly handle God’s word. Join us over there at momstronginternational.com we just started a brand new study for the month of December, and we do this every single month so check it out. Thanks for listening everybody. Have a great weekend and I’ll see you back here on Monday.
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