The fight for medical autonomy is heating up, and parents are seeing their rights threatened and freedom taken away in many states. So what should our response be? Join me today as I tackle the issue of vaccines and medical freedom with Charissa Hatten, Executive Director of Oregonians for Medical Freedom. Listen in for this important conversation.
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Charissa Hatten is the Executive Director of Oregonians for Medical Freedom, a financial professional, wife and mother of two elementary age boys. She experienced firsthand the need to support families and freedoms in our state when Oregon experienced an overreaching vaccine mandate proposed bill in 2019. Her history of working with families in Washington, California, Iowa and Oregon along with taking international service trips to Africa, Ukraine and Mexico has enabled her to work with diverse groups of people and fight to maintain personal freedoms. She is now involved in the passionate cause of raising awareness and advocating for informed consent, parental rights and medical freedom in the state of Oregon.
[Heidi] Hey everybody, this is Heidi St. John. Welcome to the podcast. Today is Friday, November 1st. This is episode number 839, this is meet my friend Friday. You guys know I love to have people who are off the bench and onto the battlefield, and today’s guest is doing just that. Her name is Charissa Hatten, she is the executive director of Oregonians for Medical Freedom. We’re going to be talking about a very controversial subject today, vaccines and forced mandates from the government.
Stick around, I think you’re going to be encouraged.
All right, so lots of stuff going on in the culture right now. I want to remind you guys of a couple of things. We are just now starting a brand new scripture writing challenge, it begins today. Every single month, we do a scripture writing challenge at HeidiStJohn.com, and you can download that for free. And then I want to encourage you to jump into the Bible study. A brand new Bible study will start on Monday, they start the first Monday of every month. What we’re trying to do is encourage you to get into God’s word. The Bible studies and the scripture writing challenge can be found at MomStrongInternational.com, and we want to hear from you.
Also, if you guys have show ideas or questions that you would like answered at the show, please go to my website, HeidiStJohn.com/MailboxMonday and you can submit your questions and your show ideas. We really want to hear from you. This show is actually in response to several questions that I have been getting at the podcast over the last year and a half as we have seen the government slowly intruding on the rights of parents. I was introduced to Charissa from a mutual friend, and I’m telling you what, I love the fire that is in this woman to get off the bench and onto the battlefield. We’re going to talk about a relatively controversial topic today. My hope is that you will listen with an open heart and open hands and really ask the Lord what you should do.
Charissa is the executive director of Oregonians for Medical Freedom. Yes, there are sane people in Oregon. And she is a financial professional, a wife, and a mother of two elementary school aged boys. She experienced firsthand the need to support families and freedoms in our state when Oregon experienced an overreaching vaccine mandate proposed bill in 2019. You guys heard me talk about that on the podcast. Her history of working with families in Washington, California, Iowa, and Oregon, along with taking international service trips to Africa, Ukraine, and Mexico has enabled her to work with diverse groups of people and fight to maintain personal freedoms. She is now involved in the passionate cause of raising awareness and advocating for informed consent, parental rights, and medical freedom in the state of Oregon. Charissa, welcome to the show.
[Charissa] Thank you so much. And I just want to start off to say that I never thought I would be, quote-unquote, “qualified” to be helping a state activist organization. You would have asked me a year ago, “Do you see yourself as an activist walking into your state capital, meeting with senators and representatives and telling them how their legislation is affecting your family?” I would never, never have imagined it. In fact, I was in my mom bubble. A year ago, I was safe and sound, I was doing my job, both of my boys were in school. I have a first grader and a fifth grader. My husband is a school teacher. We were living life and just-
[Heidi] Doing your thing.
[Charissa] Doing my thing, just enjoying the ignorance of not knowing what was going on in politics and what was going on in my state. All of a sudden, in March, during the session in Oregon, a bill dropped and it was a vaccine mandate taking away exemption and leaving only medical exemptions. The thing about a medical exemption in Oregon is, a doctor not only has to approve them, but the state has to approve them, so-
[Heidi] We love it when the state gets involved.
[Charissa] Yeah, so they had their hand in it, so that takes away a parent’s ability to make a decision for their child, a medical decision for their child, which threw me, like, out of the roof. I was like, “How can this really be happening?” My first reaction was, “We’ve got to leave this state.”
[Heidi] Mm-hmm. A lot of people are doing that.
[Charissa] I wanted to leave the state. My husband and I were looking, “Where do we move? Where do we move?” And honestly, I just had what I would call as an awakening, and out of me came a call. Literally, a large voice that just said, “Not on my watch.”
[Charissa] Not on my watch is this going to happen. And you’re not going to kick me out of my state and you’re not going to take-
[Heidi] That’s right, preach! I love this woman.
[Charissa] You’re not going to take over my household, and you’re not going to come in and tell me what I have to put into my kids. They’re not your kids. Because you know who has to live with my kids day after day? It’s me. Not you. And if my kids are injured by vaccines, I have to live with it, not you. I have to pay the bills, not you. So get out of my house, get out of my life, and get out of my state. I mean, that’s how mad I was, and as you can tell, I’m very passionate. As soon as that fire was lit, I just … I was calling people, I got in touch with people in the capital that were a staffer, and I’m like, “What do I do to get the attention-“
[Heidi] You know what? I think people forget, they work for you.
[Heidi] They work for you. You’re not here at the behest of the government. The government is here to work for you, and what has happened in the last five years, ten years, 15 years, and we’re certainly seeing our kids are being taught this, is that we are to bow down to the government. And that’s not actually how it works.
[Charissa] And it’s been a slow-
[Heidi] Slow pace, mm-hmm.
[Charissa] It’s been a slow sleep that we have all taken, thinking, “Well, government’s going to take care of us.” That’s the mindset that we all have.
[Heidi] Yes. And if you’re a socialist, that’s what you want.
[Charissa] And it’s-
[Heidi] Are you a socialist?
[Charissa] No, I am not a socialist.
[Heidi] Just checking. Just checking, because we’re going to have words.
[Charissa] Quite the opposite. It’s called taking responsibility.
[Charissa] We take up our rights and responsibilities as citizens in America.
[Charissa] So yeah, I basically started just in central Oregon, getting together with other moms. We started doing Facebook lives, we started literally chasing down our representatives and senators in their public forums, questioning on them of what gave them the right. What gives them the right to come and tell us what we’re supposed to do, what medical decisions we’re supposed to make for our kids, and I’m telling you, I guess, I’ve heard … I haven’t been able to hear from all the other states, but Oregon made quite an impact on their legislators. We’d stop up their meetings, we slowed down things so bad for them at the capital, they could not do business. So many parents were upset about this.
[Heidi] Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that’s what needs to happen. I feel like a large part, like you and I were just talking about before the show, a large part of what I feel my responsibility is is to steward the platform that the Lord has given me, and it burns inside of me to just say to these parents, “Get off the bench.”
[Heidi] If ordinary … Because you would consider yourself to be just a, quote, “ordinary” mom, right? Ordinary parents have got to engage in the fight to take away our freedom, because we’re having our freedom threatened on 100 different levels right now. I just had Kevin Sorbo on the show two weeks ago on a Friday, and he was saying, “Listen, we’ve got politicians right now, hello, who want to take away your Second Amendment freedom, and we have a right that is guaranteed to us under our Constitution to defend ourselves.”
[Heidi] And really, what they’re doing in taking away medical freedom is, they’re also removing your right to defend yourself. You should be able to make these choices. And like you and I have said, to me, this is not about vaccines. This is about, where does the government get to come in and tell an individual citizen what they can and cannot do with their own body.
[Charissa] Yes, yes, yes. And see, that’s why after World War II, the Nuremberg code was written. It was basically written to give us the right to say, “We do not have to subject our bodies to experimentation, to any coerced medical procedures,” and vaccines are a medical procedure. Something is being injected in our body. And so, we have basically, since World War II said, “You cannot experiment, and you cannot coerce people to do medical procedures as a government.”
That is a basic medical right, a basic bodily autonomy freedom that, as Americans, we have. And we have to stand up right now and basically stand in our right, or it will be taken away from us.
[Heidi] Well, I think something that you said, and I want to camp on it for just a second … Your reaction was like a lot of our reactions, when we realized, “Oh my goodness, look what’s happening. We need to move.” But I know that I said the same thing to my husband that I’m just hearing you say, and I thought, “I love it here. I love the Pacific Northwest. I love the beauty of this place.” I was born in Portland and raised in the Pacific Northwest, and I got to thinking, “You are not going to push me out of my home. I’m not going to run.”
I would much rather stand and fight, and fight for the freedom of my grandchildren and fight for the freedom of my children than be bullied and pushed out of the place that I love. I think this is an important message for parents to hear, you don’t have to be bullied out of your … Because what’s going to happen is, they’re just going to bully the people behind you. So we’ve got to stop thinking just about right now and about me, we’ve got to be thinking generations from now.
[Charissa] Right. Right. And I think we’re all going to feel, if it’s not this issue, there’s going to be an issue in the upcoming next years, I would say ten years, where something is going to demand that we get off the bench. For me, I always thought it would be my faith. I thought they’d come for my Bible first. But they came for my body. They came for our bodies, medical freedom. That got me off the bench. I hope that more of us rise up and it’s not, we don’t wait til legislation comes that’s going to infringe upon one of the things we hold dear. But that isn’t the driving force, we stand up now because it’s happening fast, it’s happening swift, and we have got to wake up.
[Heidi] So, talk to the ordinary parents, like me, who are listening to this, and they’re all around the country, because this podcast goes out around the world, and I know this isn’t just happening in Oregon. It’s happening all over the country. Who’s behind this push?
[Charissa] So, essentially, we wonder, is it the politicians? Do they really want everybody to be vaccinated? Is that the whole thing? Why all of a sudden does everybody need to be vaccinated? And one of the things we have to understand about politics is, there are lobbyists that go into every state capital building or federal capital building. They are paid thousands, thousands, and thousands and thousands upon dollars to represent pharmaceutical companies that are making over $60 billion a year on pharmaceutical products from Americans. This is insane. It is about the money. There’s only, if you look at percentages of school children that are missing one or more vaccines, it’s maybe two to four percent of the school attending children in a state. Why do you go after two to four percent of children?
It’s really because the threat of people exempting out of pharmaceutical product and saying, “That’s not for me,” they lose money. These billion dollar industries lose money. And that’s just … Our economy, unfortunately, in America is funded by a billion dollar pharmaceutical industry. They’re walking the halls, they’re selling the ideas, and they’re writing our bills.
[Heidi] And actually, this is happening not just with regard to pharmaceuticals. This is happening with regard to education. I mean, I was talking to a lady on an airplane the other day, because I live on airplanes, talking to a lady on an airplane the other day about what’s happening with our education system, and saying, “You know, my husband and I have been lobbying in Washington, DC every chance we get for the last ten years.” And we will go maybe once a year, or once every two years. There are people who are full time there, and they are trying to get homeschooling illegal. I know because I’ve met them. I know because I’ve talked to them in senator’s offices, sat across the table from people who would like to see people like me illegal in this country. They don’t want me to have the right to teach my children as I see fit, because there are many people in this country, and I think parents need to understand this, and they’re powerful people who believe that children are a ward of the state. They believe that the state should have authority over children, and they demonstrate that every day by what they teach our children in school.
It’s happening right here in Battleground, Washington, where the vast majority of parents are showing up to school board meetings. So 90% of the parents, you know … A room is filled with people, and 90% of them are saying, “Please do not pass comprehensive sex education,” and they’re being ignored, because the voices of these activists and the voice of the lobbyists carry with them a threat of pulling funding. It really does come down to money, and people need to understand what is underneath it. And also, you know, we feel like the little guy, but have you ever seen what an ant can do? The damage ants can do, when there’s 4,000 of them in a particular spot in your house? And I feel like we need to know that there is power in numbers and in getting off the bench and getting involved. The very first thing you do is just to educate yourself. You’ve got to understand what’s going on.
So the parent that has their head in the sand that says … And I think that’s kind of how you were saying your story, you were just kind of blissfully ignorant, and you don’t want to … Because who wants to fight? I mean really, we’ve got families to raise. They’re counting on our silence. They know that we’re working, they know that we’re busy, they know that we like our softball games and our movie nights, and this is a huge inconvenience, so we should just be honest about it. This is work for you. You’ve spent hundreds of hours, I’m sure now, at the front of this, but it’s because you see what’s going on and it’s because you decided to get off the bench and you started by educating yourself.
So if a parent’s listening to this, and they’re like, “Is that really real?” Where do you send them? Where can they start to get information about what’s happening?
[Charissa] There is a National Vaccine Information Center website, it’s NVIC Advocacy. They are able to, you can sign up, sign in, sign up and get alerts on what’s happening in your state regarding medical freedom. That’s how I was alerted, and then from there I was able to get connected to our state organization, which is Oregonians for Medical Freedom, which now I am leading the board on that. That was the best way I … So that’s NVIC.org.
[Heidi] Okay. And I’ll link back to all these things in the show notes.
[Charissa] Great, great. Yeah, and they’ve been around for many years, and they are putting information out that can both educate you and connect you on what’s happening in your state and on the federal level regarding medical freedom issues.
[Heidi] So, you don’t have to be in Oregon, right? This is a national website. And can they also direct people to local organizations, so if somebody is listening to this and they’re in North Carolina, is that where they go to find information about what’s happening in their state?
[Charissa] That would not be on that website. What the best way to do is just Google medical freedoms and your state, or medical choice or health choice. Most states have an established non-profit organization that is educating people on the vaccine risk side. If you can’t find that, by all means go to our website, OregoniansForMedicalFreedom.com and you can fill out the informational e-mail and we can connect you to a state organization if you’re looking for one.
[Heidi] And you just said kind of a buzzword, and I want to go back and talk about it for just a second, because you said these are places that will educate you on the risk that’s involved in vaccines. We know that with every medical procedure, there is always a risk. I have talked about this on the podcast before. You already know my children are vaccinated. I am not anti-vaccine. I’m anti-how they’re doing it now. I don’t like the four billion vaccines that they want our kids to be injected with now, but I also believe that where there is a risk, there should be a choice.
[Heidi] So we need to acknowledge that there is a risk. Your child can have an adverse reaction to a vaccine. And to really acknowledge what’s in these vaccines. I mean, we’re learning now that there’s aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, and when I first heard that, I was like, “That’s not true.” But it is true.
[Charissa] It is true.
[Heidi] It is true, and they’re actually not even hiding it any more, so if you … I mean, a very quick Google search, really, will let you listen to people in the vaccine industry who are like, “I don’t even care.”
[Heidi] They’re saying this. I called my friend Elizabeth Johnston, the Activist Mommy, and was talking on the phone with her about this, because her husband is a physician. And I said, “Is this really happening? Is this real?” And she said, “Yeah, it is.” And a lot of people don’t like to talk about that.
[Heidi] And so, it’s important, to me this is not about whether or not your child is vaccinated. This issue matters to me, and my children are vaccinated, and it matters to me because the state has no authority.
[Heidi] They really don’t. They have no authority to come in and mandate a decision for a citizen which puts that citizen at risk. So even if the benefit outweighed the risk, the choice should be up to the person who is incurring the risk, not to the government.
[Charissa] Right. And that is what many people have been saying and continue to say. They’re saying, they’re using this big umbrella, like, “Everybody needs to be vaccinated to keep everyone safe.” It’s very interesting because you have to define what safety means. We know that children are getting injured by vaccines. We know, there is no question. You go to VAERS, which is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, and you can see the reported number of adverse effects including death from vaccines. So if we’re going to say there is injury, then what is real safety? Safety is nobody getting injured. I mean, if I want to keep somebody safe, they’re not going to get injured. So in essence, it’s such a false thing to be able to say we’re mandating vaccines to keep everybody safe, because children are getting injured.
[Charissa] Well, they may not be getting measles, but what if they’re getting some other kind of side effect that could be disabling for many years for them? Merck, the actual manufacturer of the MMR, it was just uncovered that pre-licensure studies found that 40% of children receiving the MMR suffered gastrointestinal illnesses within 24 days of the injection, and 55% suffered respiratory illnesses. These are studies now that are being released. We also know that Merck, the same manufacturer of vaccines is in court right now for fraud. They have paid over $35 billion in the last decade for defrauding regulators, bribing doctors, extortion, and lying about their drugs. This on the manufacturers. If the manufacturers are under this much investigation, are being sued, how can we say that their product is 100% safe?
I call it the vaccine religion. Or the vaccine cult is a better way of saying it, because if you say something is safe and effective and say it’s 100% safe and effective, you keep saying it over and over and over again, which is what we hear media saying, which is what we hear some politicians saying, if we say it enough everybody’s going to believe it’s true and everybody’s going to ignore vaccine injury, is going to ignore side effects, and nobody’s going to pay attention to fact.
[Heidi] Mm-hmm. And I think it’s important to say, to me, again, this is going to come back to choice because parents need to be educated when they choose to or not to choose to vaccinate their children. I think I told you this last time, I worked in the medical field for quite a while. My mother is a nurse, and I believe in … Vaccines have done a good thing. I think about the smallpox epidemic. You know, people don’t get smallpox any more. I think there are good things about vaccines, but what we’re learning is that there’s a huge downside to it that we didn’t know before. So to me, reasonable people should be able to look at both sides and we need to be able to choose. It’s the choice, it’s having the choice taken away from us which I find so damaging and so devastating.
And also, whenever you take choice away from people, and you can see this in the free speech debate that’s happening in the culture right now, because now we have something called hate speech. So if someone says something really awful on Twitter, well then, that’s hate speech. Right now i’m not talking about inciting violence, that’s a totally different thing. But just an opinion, that’s maybe an ignorant opinion or even an evil opinion, the answer to hate speech is not less speech, it’s more speech. It’s, “Let’s have a debate and let reasonable thinking people determine what is right.”
We have to be willing to talk about this stuff. I know there’s going to be a lot of people who are going to hear this today and they’re going to be like, “Heidi St. John, I cannot believe … ” You know? But I’m interested in the discussion, and the discussion needs to be had. I have grandchildren coming up. Our daughter’s going to have her third baby here in the springtime, and I’m interested in this discussion because I have children. And we should be interested, we should be having the discussion. I love that you are willing to step out in front of the debate and say, “Listen. Can we talk about what the right is of government?” Because that’s really the position for Oregonians for Medical Freedom. Yes, you are highlighting the risks of vaccines, of which there are many, but you’re also saying, I think the main thing I hear you say is, “The government has no authority, they have no right to come in and make a decision about what we do and don’t do with our bodies.”
[Charissa] Bodily autonomy is a fundamental human right that we all should, by law, be able to maintain. Nobody should ever be able to pressure us into having a medical procedure. I mean, now it’s vaccines, what’s it going to be in ten years?
[Heidi] Mm-hmm. Yeah. I shudder to think.
[Charissa] What medication are they going to force on you, label you and force on you because you don’t fit into society?
[Heidi] Well, we see what’s happening over in the Netherlands where now the euthanasia laws have been expanded to mental distress. And what are we up to, 23 people now who have taken their own lives? Who, I actually believe there’s a lot of coercion going on and these people are saying, “I’m depressed, I’m … ” And they’re young, these are people in their 20s. And again, it’s a lack of respect for human life, it’s a lack of respect for our autonomy as human beings, and if that doesn’t raise the hackles of people listening to this, I don’t know what will.
[Charissa] Right. And it’s really imposing on religious freedom. In fact, in New York, they only have religious exemptions left with medical. Medical exemptions are very hard to get, so the majority use religious. Basically, there is a large Jewish population, Amish, in New York, and they would use religious exemptions for many reasons that even I do, based on the aborted fetal cell in some of the vaccines. One story that about, just blew my mind was that they were driving around with a yellow light on the vehicle with government officials going up to the doors of families of unvaccinated children, so basically making a spectacle in neighborhoods of unvaccinated families, knocking on their doors saying, “Your children can no longer go to school because they don’t have this or this vaccine. They’re not fully vaccinated.”
They passed this law in New York specifically targeting religious groups and the religious exemptions that they were using, and now they’re making a public spectacle of Jewish people, of Amish, and it just boils my blood.
[Heidi] Mm-hmm. Oh, it’s so wrong. It’s so wrong. It’s intimidation. They’re trying to scare them. Shaming them.
[Charissa] It’s bullying, it’s government intimidation, and it’s basically saying, “You’re going to do it our way or we’re going to make a public spectacle of you for believing differently than we do.” And that’s where, as Americans, whether or not we vaccinate or not vaccinate, it’s like, “How much control can we allow the government to have in our lives?” The line has to be drawn somewhere.
[Heidi] That’s right. Well, and the line was drawn. It’s just that now they’re trying to draw a new line.
[Heidi] This has never been a discussion until recently. Lots of things going on that have just been blowing my mind, and you and I were talking about this a few minutes ago. A couple weekends ago, I was in Lincoln, Nebraska, and they’re having issues in Lincoln as well. I mean, it’s in small town America. People listening to this say, “Oh, no, the drag queens don’t come here.” Yes, they will. “Oh, this isn’t happening in my public school.” Yes, it is. Just because you think that it’s not happening doesn’t mean it’s not at the very beginning, the incubating stages. But believe me, most of us where this is in a full-blown crisis are scratching our heads, going, “When did that start?”
Well, it started ten years ago when we weren’t paying attention. And actually, I think the same thing is true for the fight for medical freedom. It started years ago and we just didn’t understand, we weren’t paying attention. We thought the government had our best interests at heart, and now we’re starting to go, “Maybe the lobbyists are having more power than they should have.” But I wonder, as people listening to this now, sitting there listening to you and you’re telling stories about what happened in New York, I remember that being headline news. We saw pictures of it on the internet, in magazines. And I know that a lot of people just like you, it boils their blood. They’re sitting there listening to it and they just feel helpless. “What can I do?” I maybe can’t do anything, but that’s not true.
So, we know how you got off the bench. How can people who are listening to this get involved in the fight for medical freedom? I think, and this is why I begged the people in Lincoln two weekends ago when I was there. I said, “Listen, I am begging you. Get in front of this. Don’t do what we’re doing in Oregon,” and we’re behind the eight-ball in the Pacific Northwest in a lot of ways right now because we’ve allowed this to get so far, but there are lots of places around the country where they could actually get out in front of it. I think that’s kind of what you’re here to advocate that people do, is get off the bench and get in front of this thing.
[Charissa] Right. What I didn’t realize at the beginning of this when I got involved was how easy it is to build a relationship with your legislators.
[Heidi] You were intimidated.
[Charissa] Yeah. You think it’s some powerful person that is-
[Heidi] Yeah, it’s Oz.
[Charissa] … is sitting in their throne ruling your state. No, unfortunately, that’s …
[Heidi] That’s Kate Brown. Kate Brown in Oregon. Kate, this one’s for you.
[Charissa] They may think that they are, in their mind. But in reality-
[Heidi] That’s the mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon. You’re welcome.
[Charissa] What I didn’t realize was how easy most of the time it is to get in, because you’re their constituent and they should allow you to come and meet with them. At least make a phone call or e-mail. If there was nothing else that I wish every parent would do, it would be build their relationship with your legislators. Call them. “What are you working on?” We’re coming up on our next session starting in February. You can go and ask them, “What bills are you working on for this next session?”
[Heidi] Yeah, and they need to tell you, because guess what? They work for you.
[Charissa] Yes. And in fact, you as their constituent can propose that they write a bill for you at your request. That’s another freedom that we need to realize that we have.
[Heidi] I did not know that. Charissa’s educating me. I’m looking at Jay like, “Hey, we can write a bill,” and he’s like “Uhh …”
[Charissa] It’s true, you can. You have an idea, you go talk to your legislator. “I have this idea, what do you think about it?” You start to have conversations. That is part of their job, is to legislate for their citizens. Unfortunately, the lobbyists are walking the halls, and that’s what I say, if we build the relationships and take up our legislators’ time, guess what, the lobbyists won’t get in there. We’d be in there. You can see them in district, so you don’t always have to go to your state capital. If there is-
[Heidi] What do you mean, when you say you can see them … So, dumb it down to normal people language. When you say you can see them in district, what do you mean?
[Charissa] All right. So essentially, you vote for your representative or assembly member, depending on what state you live in, in your district, and then you have a senator. So you have two people that are representing you. They will be in your area. They’ll have a town hall. You can go on their website. So first of all, hopefully you’re voting, hopefully you voted in the last election.
[Heidi] Please vote. Please, for the love … Yeah, please vote.
[Charissa] Hopefully you at least know the name of your legislators. You just Google them, they’re on your state legislative website. You can call the number, e-mail them, and they’re in district, depending on how long your session is, they’ll be in your district holding a town hall. Many of them will just meet for coffee with you.
[Heidi] Mm-hmm (affirmative), because they live there.
[Charissa] They have, like, a local coffee shop where they’re like, “Oh yeah, I’ll meet you at … ” You know, Sparrow Bakery is where I always go. So it’s not hard. It takes a little time, but we’re talking about our children. We’re talking about generations. If we don’t do something now, what are our kids going to have to deal with? I don’t want my kids to grow up having to defend something I could have defended.
[Heidi] Yeah, that’s right. And the same thing is true for comprehensive sex education. That’s why Stephanie was here, this homeschool mom who decided to run for school board because she realized, “These are generations. It’s not just my kids.” It’s a whole generation that’s being brought up and indoctrinated to believe things that are not true, and then parents have a responsibility to get out there and fight for our children. That’s what parents do.
[Charissa] It is. And that brings up another point. There’s a lot of committees and boards on your city or county that are very easy to get into and get on, especially if you’re in a smaller community. That’s a great way to get involved and find out what’s going on and impact your local legislation. It’s not that hard, and that’s what I want to say. I work outside the home, I have two boys, I’m married. Even though I’m leading an activist organization right now, before I was doing that, I was … During the session, I was spending a few hours a week just e-mailing and making phone calls. So it doesn’t take a lot of time. I mean, how much time are we spending on Netflix every week? Let’s be honest. Five to ten hours?
[Heidi] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or Facebook.
[Heidi] Or all the things. I know I keep hearing people say, “Oh, I don’t have time.” Yes you do have time. This is not an issue of whether or not I have time. It’s an issue of what I prioritize my time with.
[Charissa] It is.
[Heidi] So, we give our time to what we love and what we treasure. And in this nation, we treasure leisure time. We do, and I like it too, I’m not saying it’s wrong. So if you’re watching Netflix right now, I’m not coming down on you with the hammer, but I am saying pay attention to how you’re spending your time. And if this bothers you, then start saying, “Okay, what can I do to get off the bench and onto the battlefield?”
[Heidi] I had Suzanne Gallagher here a couple of weeks ago, she’s the president of Parents Rights in Education. She’s doing a very similar thing that you’re doing for education. So your focus is on medical freedom, her focus is on parental rights in education, but really, this is all a parental rights issue. It really comes down to parental rights and whether or not parents should be in the driver’s seat of their child’s education, of their child’s medical treatment, whatever. The choices that are made for our children should never be made by the government. They should be made by parents, and that’s the stand that we take.
[Heidi] Well, Charissa, it’s been a joy to have you here. I’m thrilled, because I’m getting the opportunity to meet more and more, quote-unquote, “ordinary moms.” There’s nothing ordinary about you, girl, I can tell. Get this girl in front of the legislature and they are going down.
[Charissa] That’s right.
[Heidi] But I love that you saw a problem and you were willing to get off the bench and onto the battlefield. I know that there are a lot of people who are listening now who are going to be encouraged. How can they find out more? I’m looking at, your website is OregoniansForMedicalFreedom.com, and I see a couple of other websites that I’m going to link back to in the show notes. So if you guys are driving, just chill out, you can find all this stuff at HeidiStJohn.com/podcast. This podcast is now transcribed, so you can literally just go to the podcast and click on the transcription, you can read our entire conversation. It will include the links that we have mentioned when we mentioned them. But you also mentioned PhysiciansForInformedConsent.org. What is that site?
[Charissa] They basically have information, they’re a group of doctors that have put together different documents to make sure parents are fully informed especially on the MMR and the possibility of those risks that go along with it. These physicians are very, very passionate about fully informing. That’s another aspect of this we didn’t dive into. Doctors aren’t telling parents the risks. They’re not giving them the vaccine insert, and so this Physicians for Informed Consent are passionate about that. They put out great content and material that you can really educate yourself with.
[Heidi] Again, so that you can choose. The whole point is that you can choose.
[Charissa] So that you can choose.
[Heidi] We should be able to choose, and we’ve got to be informed in order to make what we call an informed decision.
[Heidi] Yeah, that’s right. And then ChildrensHealthDefense.org is …
[Charissa] Yes, ChildrensHealthDefense.org is actually a national organization that is coming to the defense of children relating to many issues, but vaccines is one of them, advocating for vaccine safety studies, because there are not vaccine safety studies that are saying the 72 doses of vaccines are safe for every child. They’re saying vaccines are not one size fits all and demanding that these manufacturers do vaccine safety studies. So Children’s Health Defense is a great resource to educate yourself on.
[Heidi] I love that. So if you guys want more information about this, I’ll link back to these in the show notes today. If you’ve got questions or feedback, you can go to HeidiStJohn.com/MailboxMonday. We will continue this discussion as the months go by, but you guys know, my heart is to see you get off the bench and onto the battlefield and stop sitting on the sidelines. This really is an incredible time in United States history where parental rights are being threatened like never before, and we need to engage.
[Heidi] So, Charissa, thank you so much for coming, it’s just been a pleasure to have you here.
[Charissa] Thank you so much, Heidi.
[Heidi] For more information on Charissa and the Oregonians for Medical Freedom, please visit OregoniansForMedicalFreedom.com or visit me at the show notes, HeidiStJohn.com/podcast. I appreciate you guys listening and I will see you back here on Monday for Mailbox Monday.
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