Do you ever wonder if you can make a difference? It’s easy to feel overwhelmed by all we see happening around us—but when we learn to see ourselves the way God sees us, amazing things can happen! Listen today as Stefani Carlson shares her story of getting off the bench and onto the battlefield! I promise you’ll be encouraged!
Transcribed version of the podcast is below
Today’s Scripture Writing Challenge Verse
- 1 John 2:15-17
Resources Mentioned in Podcast
- MomStrong International
- Part 1 with Stefani Carlson
- Speak for Life Necklace
- Canby City Council Meeting
- School board electee concerns Canby’s trans community
Scripture Mentioned in Podcast
- Luke 6:40
- John 3:16
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Stefani is married to her best friend Paul, has two teenage kids and a very busy life. When Stefani isn’t helping her husband run their businesses or homeschooling her kiddos, you can find her running her family’s hobby farm, designing commercial spaces and volunteering within the pro-life community.
Stefani is a regular mom who decided to get off the bench and get involved in her community to promote Biblical values while encouraging others to do the same. Her favorite hobbies include milking her goats, running a farm stand and spending time with the Lord in her garden.
Hey everybody, this is Heidi St. John. Welcome to the Heidi St. John podcast. Today is Wednesday, July 31st—the last day of July. Moment of silence.
Man, that went fast. I want to just encourage you, if you haven’t done it already, to sign up for our next month of Bible studies at MomStrong International. We are going to be talking about living a life of integrity, which is what we absolutely need to be—people of integrity if we’re going to be able to walk in right relationship with the Lord. Today, I’m really pleased because my friend Stefani Carlson is back in the studio with me and we’re going to be talking about how she got off the bench and onto the battlefield, as well as what’s happening in the public school system.
Stick around. I think you’re going to be encouraged.
I am excited to have Stefani back. Before we get started today, I want to remind you guys, I’m going to be doing giveaways Friday, the 2nd of August because it is the 800th episode of the Heidi St. John podcast. I’ll be giving you guys a little bit of the history of the podcast and how Jay and I started it many years ago, and sort of where it’s going now, and the goal of the podcast in general. But what I want you to hear right now is that we are giving things away. We’re going to be having giveaways, doing all kinds of fun things. My friend Ken Ham is going to be on the show with me and you’re going to be encouraged for sure by Ken because that guy is off the bench. He’s so far off the bench, I can’t even see him anymore. But I want to just encourage you— if you haven’t left reviews for the podcast, tag somebody on Instagram, tag somebody on Facebook —we’re going to be using those entries to start giving stuff away. We will be announcing your names on the podcast on Friday, so I just want to encourage you to share the podcast. That is how we’re going to be doing giveaways this coming Friday.
All right, my friend Stefani Carlson is back in the studio with me today. Stefani has an incredible story. If you guys haven’t listened to the Monday podcast yet, I want to encourage you to do that. I first became aware of Stefani when she left a voicemail for me here at the homeschool resource center and basically was just saying— I’m in over my head. What do I do? I’ve got these people calling me names, they’re leaving messages, emailing me. She came face to face with what really is a culture of hate here in the United States of America. And yet the Holy Spirit worked in her heart and she decided to go ahead and face that giant. I’m just so proud of her and so pleased to have her in the studio with me today. Stefani, welcome back to the show.
[Stefani] Thank you Heidi.
[Heidi] So here you are in the studios of Firmly Planted Family and I bet a year ago, this isn’t what you thought you’d be doing.
[Stefani] I had no idea. I had no idea.
[Heidi] It’s amazing what can happen in a year.
[Stefani] Oh yeah, for sure.
[Heidi] It’s amazing. And, you shared the story on Monday of just seeing what was happening around you. There was a mayor of Canby who was basically being bullied into making like a day celebrating transgenderism— which as I’ve said many times on the podcast is a lie. We know that men cannot be women and women can not be men. Doesn’t matter how many surgeries you have. It doesn’t matter how much lipstick you put on. I said to the guys in LA a couple of weeks ago that if there are any men in here thinking about becoming a woman— can I just tell you it’s not that amazing? Like just don’t do it. It comes with a whole series of— Oh, I guess you’d never would have to deal with those. So nevermind. I guess it’s just heels and makeup, and we know that it’s not. So this whole thing that’s happening, particularly as it relates to children, the drag queen story hour, all this stuff, it is the face of evil that we’re seeing in the culture right now. And you took a stand. You went down to the city council meeting basically to give your mayor some backup and support him. And I think what you did is so important for people to hear.
You guys, even if you’re not the one who’s supposed to get up and speak, come and show up. Your presence will make a huge big difference just coming to these board meetings. So you went to the City Council meeting, then you decided to eventually to run for school board. Now I want to kind of back up and start there today because there are a lot of people listening to this who are like— school boards? Who cares? But these school boards wield tremendous power, don’t they? And have tremendous authority in the schools. What in the world made a homeschool mom of two want to run for a public school board?
[Stefani] Because I felt like I needed to do something, something that would matter. I needed, like you have said so many times on your podcast— you need to get off the bench and onto the battlefield. We have positions in our communities that need to be filled by people that know the Bible, and that can stand up for biblical values. So without people actually running for these positions we have a lot of other people that don’t have God’s Word that they’re firmly planted in, and instead have more of a worldview of the world.
[Stefani] So we really need to step it up and start deciding to run for positions in our community that matter. So School Board’s one, City Council is one. If that seems too big for someone, you can always start on a Budget Committee or the Parks and Rec, or whatever it is— getting involved. If your kids are in the public schools, getting involved, understanding what they’re teaching the kids. Right now, comprehensive sex education is a big, big issue.
[Heidi] Well, did you see just last week, Oregon now has mandated, I don’t know if you saw this, I shared it on my social media… they’ve mandated now that we put LGBTQ themes into every subject.
[Stefani] Yes, everything. It’s House Bill 2023. And it has to be implemented by the end of the year 2026. And it really flew under the radar with all the legislation that was trying to be passed.
[Heidi] Yea, because we felt like — where’d that come from? We got blindsided.
[Stefani] I didn’t even see that one until it got passed. Everybody was focused on the vaccination bill on cap and trade, all really important issues. But you’re right, it flew under the radar.
[Heidi] It seems to me like what’s happening. You’re totally right—Christians need to be in these positions because when good people don’t do it, evil will fill the vacuum. And we’ve seen that happen so many times. I was just listening to one of my favorite pastors this morning as I was getting dressed and ready to come down to the studio, and he was talking about the culture right now— that I think oftentimes Christians feel like they just can’t win because the voices out there are so loud, right? They’ve infiltrated every aspect of the culture. Now they’re in government. They’re on your school boards. They’re running the libraries. They literally are running the libraries, the American Library Association. Shame on the American Library Association—complicit for bringing Drag Queen Story Hour to millions of little kids around the United States. And people can say— well it’s their parents. Well, yes it is the parents, but how about the library does not offer it in the first place. And then the parents will have to figure out some other sick way to indoctrinate their kids instead of with my tax dollars. How about that?
[Stefani] Right, exactly.
[Heidi] But this pastor so rightly says, because he was trying to encourage his congregation in London to get off the sidelines and onto the frontlines and he said— darkness has darkness, cannot compete with light.
[Stefani] That’s right.
[Heidi] If you’re in a room, all somebody has to do is crack the door open a little tiny bit, where the light is, the light will flood that room. Darkness cannot stand up against the light. And we hear this in the Bible over and over and over again. The Apostle Paul is saying that we have the authority of Christ. And I think Christians, like I opened up Monday’s podcast saying— have forgotten who we are.
[Stefani] That’s right.
[Heidi] We’ve forgotten who we are. One of the things I love about your story is you’ve kind of taken back that authority that’s been given to you by the Lord Jesus.
[Stefani] That’s right.
[Heidi] And you said— no, I’m a daughter of the King of kings. And the Lord said— this is what I should be doing. And really, if it breaks God’s heart, it should break our hearts.
[Heidi] Yeah. So you decided to go ahead and run for school board because you saw these things infiltrating the school, correct?
[Stefani] Yes, that’s right. So I decided to run, and the rest is history. He’s put me there and we’re already coming up with different issues that I’m delving into, becoming really educated in house bills and how that affects us. It’s really important work. Christians really need to step it up.
[Stefani] Because if we don’t, who else will? We have to illuminate the darkness. Let your light shine.
[Heidi] Yes, when you let your light shine, the darkness runs, it does cannot compete with the light. Now they’re gonna try to compete. And you’ve taken your fair amount of hate.
[Stefani] I did. After I got voted on to the school board, I think Koin6 and KPTV….
[Heidi] Gotta love Koin6— shout out Portland. Not really.
[Stefani] Not really. I was on those stations. I think they played the same story on KPTV three times in the mornings for three days, something like that. And I wouldn’t make a statement because I just didn’t want them to twist my words. I eventually did make a statement and I had a lawyer help me. It’s sad you’re even to have to come up with a statement of words strung together so they can’t take it out of context. There’s something really wrong with that. I wouldn’t go on camera. I was just not gonna play the game. And yet they made me look horrible. And was really unfortunate. But the people that know me know who I am and my character.
[Heidi] I think that people who are watching, and I think this is important for listeners to understand, I think now we’re starting to see through the charade, like we’re starting to go— that’s not right.
[Heidi] Somebody said to me the other day, I was in an airport and I was wearing…. I have a necklace that I call Speak for Life. It’s just an image of an unborn baby. It’s just a beautiful necklace. And I sell it on the website and when I’m speaking. The reason I wear that necklace is because it gives me an opportunity to speak for life. And this woman said— Oh, I love your necklace. What’s the story? And I said— this is to remind me of my commitment to see abortion become absolutely unthinkable, not just illegal, absolutely unthinkable in my lifetime. And she just kind of swallowed hard. And she said— do you get a lot of hate for that? And I said— you know, surprisingly, no. I mean sometimes people are offended in some.
We live in this culture of fear. We are so afraid. I cannot remember a time, and I’ve been involved in politics since I was very young. I love watching the American system government that are our constitutional republic, because we’re not a democracy…people think we are. We are a republic— look it up. I love watching it work. And I love being a part of it. This is civics, right? And I’ve noticed this fear where good people, they just are so afraid that they’re going to be made of. A long time ago when if you had a presidential candidate that’s running and you like their policies, and you wore a Reagan t-shirt or whatever, you weren’t afraid for your safety.
[Heidi] But you are now.
[Stefani] Oh, for sure.
[Heidi] And I feel like they had been successful in blunting our ability to get off the bench. And one of the things I love about your story so much is you basically said—no more. You’re not going to scare me. I’m going to get out there and do what I need to do anyway.
[Stefani] That’s right.
[Heidi] And the Lord has helped you.
[Stefani] Oh, He has. He has helped me so much. I can’t even tell you. And I want to say Heidi, He is so faithful.
[Stefani] If you go, Lord, I need some help with this. I don’t know what to say. I don’t even know what to do in this situation. Oh Man, you just ask Him and he’s so faithful to help you come up with the right thing to say.
[Heidi] That’s like the homeschool mom, or the potential homeschool mom I should say, that this listening to this right now ad she’s like— I just don’t know. I don’t think I can teach my kids. I was told I had to have a degree in education and I don’t. But what we have found, I know you found this too, I have found this over 25 years of education— the Lord will help you.
[Stefani] Oh, he totally helps. Yeah.
[Stefani] Every morning when we start, I go— Lord, I’m not capable of doing this on my own. I need your help. And he always helps me. The days I’ve missed that prayer are the days that are full of chaos. Or I go— why am I doing this?
[Heidi] And you saw that even on the days when you do get the prayer in. There are days and we’re just like— but I prayed about this. Why are my kids being awful?
[Stefani] Yeah. He helps us in the long game. And in the short game.
[Heidi] It’s a powerful truth that you are demonstrating with the way that you’re living your life. Because there’s nothing extraordinary about Heidi St. John. There’s nothing extraordinary Stefani Carlson, right?
[Stefani] Yeah. No, nothing extraordinary.
[Heidi] Except for the fact that you’re indwelt by the power of God. Which makes it extraordinary.
[Stefani] Which gives Him glory. So that’s the cool thing. He can take imperfect vessels, because we all have sin, we all fallen short. We all are imperfect. We tell the Lord— Hey, I am all in. I want to surrender to you. Do with me what you will. Oh man, the things he can do with that heart.
[Heidi] That’s a powerful, yeah. I want to switch topics really briefly and talk to you about homeschooling for a little while because you’re a homeschool mom.
[Heidi] Did you always want to homeschool? Were your kids ever in school? What was your deal?
[Stefani] So they were in a private school for the first few years and I had a really smart kiddo. He did Algebra at age 10.
[Heidi] Oh my goodness!
[Stefani] He’s super smart. Actually, both of them are pretty smart. I know my husband and I laugh because we don’t know where they got their smart brains from. Certainly not from either of us, but they were both very, very smart kids and they just weren’t being challenged. And it was a great environment, but we took them home. But I will tell you, when my husband and I first got married, I told him I will never homeschool.
[Heidi] Yeah, I did that.
[Stefani] So don’t ask me, don’t even bring it up. But the Lord had put that on my heart and we weren’t happy with the situation that they were in for a couple of their reasons too. And so I just prayed about it. I said— Lord, if you want me to do this, make it clear and give me a joy. Because right now the thought of losing three free hours in the day and all this — I don’t know if I could do that. Heidi, I tell you, after following Jesus, I think homeschooling has been in the top five decisions of my whole life that we made.
[Heidi] Yeah. And I think people don’t realize that they can do it. I talk to so many moms who are like— yea no, I don’t know if I can ever do that. My kids will never get along. I’m like listen, you will get along if you ask the Lord to help you. This is true for every relationship. Marriage, parenting, all of it.
[Stefani] All of it.
[Heidi] We need the Lord. So talk to the mom who is thinking about homeschooling— because what’s happening in the public school is a tragedy. It really is a tragedy. And you know, I have people say to me all the time—you don’t understand, not everybody can homeschool. And I’m starting to go— yes you can.
[Stefani] Yes you can.
[Heidi] Yes, you can. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Maybe we need to downsize. Maybe it means we don’t need two car payments.
[Stefani] That’s right.
[Heidi] I think our mentality is such in this culture that we’ve adopted the Oprah Winfrey, Joel O’Steen, we want our best life now. And if that means we got to sacrifice our kids to the public school system, then so be it. So talk to that mom who’s really wrestling it down. What are the top reasons for homeschooling and then walk her through what that might look like?
[Stefani] There are so many reasons to homeschool. The main thing is, I always go back to the Word of God— He tells us to train up our children in the way that they should go and when they are old, they will not depart from it. And I think training up our children isn’t just the couple of hours in the evening, I think training up our children has a lot more to do with training them up full time. Not the summer, not the evenings, but train them up. Young mom or older mom, you are more than capable with God’s help. You absolutely can. I have a bachelor’s in design that is probably the furthest thing from education that you can get. I use right brain way more than I do my left. And if I can do it, anybody can do it.
Not one family does homeschooling the same way, I found through the years. There is not one family. Some people will farm out certain classes. Here’s a real life example. When we got to Algebra, when my kiddo is 10.
[Heidi] How’s that right brain working?
[Stefani] Really badly. I did not want to relearn that just to teach it. And I really think you kind of need to be a little bit more of a master of that subject to teach advanced math, anything pretty much after Algebra. So I prayed about it and God gave me an option of sending him to this little co-op and he learned Algebra for math teacher who taught Algebra wonderfully.
[Heidi] And the thing is co-ops and stuff, when you have your kids participate, and the same thing is true for a firmly planted like the homeschool resource center—this place is awash with people who are teaching Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry, and things that parents are like— my head explodes. I think about doing chemistry and I’m like— oh no, I don’t want to do that. But the cool thing is when the Lord brings us people who He really has gifted to teach it, they do a much better job than I do. And we still have complete control over the direction that the class is being taught from. Because parents, you need to understand this: nothing in education is neutral. Math is not neutral. Science is not neutral. History for goodness sake, not neutral. And parents need to understand that education is discipleship. It is never neutral.
I had a mom say to me on Facebook the other day, she’s like— I don’t know why you keep talking about education as if it was the end all. And I’m like—it is. Parents, we stick our head in the sand and we just go— oh, that doesn’t matter, it’s reading, writing,and arithmetic. Well, if that’s true, then why are we cranking out, I’m sorry, communists and socialists out of our school system right now? If that’s true, then how come the LGBTQ community is pushing so hard to have transgenderism in all the subjects? Because hey, it’s neutral. Who really cares? Except for even the people on the other side of the aisle know it’s not. It’s anything but neutral.
[Stefani] And not only the academic piece—the math, the sciences, the history—but when you have your kids at home, you get to tell them about what you believe and what the Lord has done in your life. So every morning, the very first thing is after we pray, we are doing a devotion, we’re learning about God’s Word. And not only do we learn about it here at the beginning of the day, but we continue to learn about it through all of those subjects. That as a theme, a centralized theme in everything we do—what has God’s Word say about it? And so homeschooling isn’t just about reading, writing, and arithmetic, it’s really about instilling in our kids biblical values in the biblical worldview.
[Heidi] Yeah. Someone said to me— well, you’re indoctrinating your kids. And I was like— yeah, you right. Call it what you want. You call it indoctrination. I call it discipleship. Potato—Patato. It is our role as parents— and the government and the schools want to take that away from you. They want to make you think— oh, I’ll leave that up to the school. And in fact the lady said to me on my Facebook page the other day, she was talking about education and she said— you’re making everybody feel guilty. I said— I’m not trying to make you feel guilty, I’m trying to wake you up. My intent is not to saddle you with all this guilt. My intent is to open your eyes so you can see what’s actually at stake and then do something about it.
You don’t have to keep your kids in a school system that says that there is no God and there are 15 genders and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah—day in and day out. If we educate our kids in Rome, why are we surprised when they come out as Romans? Why are we surprised? The Bible says in Luke 6:40 that when a student is fully trained he will be like his teacher.
[Heidi] I mean for goodness sake, who’s teaching our kids? It’s important. Stefani, when you think about this journey that the Lord has had you on of finding your voice. That’s really what this podcast is about. It’s helping this generation find their voice. God has given you a very unique voice and He’s called you to a very unique thing. But every person that’s listening to this, the Bible teaches us that God has a plan and a purpose. Everything that He does is on purpose. God doesn’t do anything apart from a kingdom purpose. When you think about getting motivated to get off the bench and onto the battlefield— talk to that mom and that dad right now, and there’s some teenagers, listen to this too right now, but I know there are lots of parents, men and women who are listening and they’re looking around them and the primary feeling, the emotion that I get from parents all the time is they feel overwhelmed and — I can’t do anything about this stuff that’s happening because I just can’t because I’m not in charge of the school board. I don’t make those rules in Washington DC. I have no idea how to stop drag queen story hour. So talk to that mom and that dad who feel overwhelmed. They want to off the bench, but they don’t know how we’re, where do we start?
[Stefani] Okay. First things first — gotta be in the word gotta be praying and asking God for his welfare. Your Life. When we ask the Lord for his will and we’re willing and obedient to do it, that is what it’s about.
[Heidi] So if we’re going to be the men and women that God wants us to be, we gotta know who we’re serving.
[Stefani] That’s exactly right.
[Heidi] We got to know who do we represent. If we don’t represent the government, if we don’t represent the school system, who do we represent? And the way that we find out who, is by knowing God’s Word. This is why I started MomStrong International. This is why the resource center exists. This is why I travel 25 weekends a year— is so that people, within the sound of my voice, can hear you are who God says they are. And if you want to know who that is and if you wanna know who He is, you gotta be in there.
[Stefani] You gotta be in the Word. Next, it’s asking the Lord what He has for you. Everybody has a unique purpose. Every last person should be asking themselves the question— why am I here? What did God put me here for? What is my calling within the body of Christ? What am I supposed to be doing with my time in my life? I am amazed that nobody asks this question. The doctor, your dentist, your lawyer. Nobody really seems to ask the question. Maybe your pastor once in a while, but really essentially nobody asks a question— why are you here? What did God make you here? What are you supposed to be doing? That is such an important question.
So if it’s— Lord, I don’t know how to get involved, I want to do something. Is it being an encourager of these people that are in the thicket of it? I think it’s really important to know your passions and your strengths also.
[Heidi] Yea, what do you gravitate towards? When you’re sitting at the kitchen table, what sparks that conversation in you that you could talk about that for hours?
[Stefani] Yeah. What talents do you have? What has God put at burning desire in your heart about? Maybe it won’t be a burning desire, but he gives us passion and talents and strengths. And I think start there first. What am I good at it? Maybe it’s tech stuff. Maybe you’re really good at producing a newsletter or something like that. You can help by being a volunteer in a myriad of ways.
[Heidi] Hey, we need all the help in the world right here at the homeschool resource center here.
[Stefani] Yeah, you can come and volunteer here.
[Heidi] Please for the love, come and volunteer here.
[Stefani] Everybody has a place. And so it’s all about asking, learn where He wants you to be at. What should I be doing with my life? What is my purpose? And then figuring it out and walking in that purpose and getting after it.
[Heidi] Yeah. So the mom who’s thinking— okay, my heart’s racing and I think, how could I run for school board? Or how would I even know. If a person’s listening to this and they think— I want to run for City Council. Where did they start? Where do they go?
[Stefani] Well, first of all, I would get with people in your community that are minded. Get with people in your church or people that you know think the same way. They really want to get back to biblical roots and have discussions with them and say— Hey, what do you think about this? And get some people involved in that and then decide—who would do really good in this position? And then there is power in numbers. Have that person pray about it. And if they’re supposed to do it then get behind them, hold the signs, go door to door, actively get involved.
[Heidi] And this is gonna require some effort on your part. You were talking about being in the Word and I wrote down spiritual discipline. It’s no different than the discipline of watching what we eat or exercising or making sure we don’t stay up till two in the morning and get up at 12. All of those things are disciplines and we need the Lord’s help to do it. And so just like we need His help to be in the Word, we need his help to figure out how He wants us to get involved. But the point is everybody can do something.
[Stefani] Everybody can. Everybody should.
[Heidi] Everybody should be doing something. There are so many parents that I hear from all the time who have not only forgotten who they are, but forgotten that God loves them so much, that they’re loved. And I’m always telling parents— listen, I think when we realize how loved we are, it changes our perspective. Talk to the mom who is just feeling like nobody cares.
[Stefani] Oh mom, God cares so much about you. So, so much. He knows every detail of your life. He knows when you wake up, what you’re thinking about, what your secret dreams are. He knows everything about you, in and through, and He loves you. Oh, so much. John 3:16, everybody should have that in their arsenal—for God so loved the world that He sent His one and only begotten Son, that whosoever should be leaving Him will have eternal life. He loved you so much. He sent His own Son to die for you. He loves you unconditionally.
[Heidi] It’s that grace that says— you know what? I’m not interested in what you’ve done. I’m going to forgive you if you ask for that forgiveness. God wants to take you where you are right now and move you into his plan and his purpose for your life. And he does that for every single person. Every single one of us. I’m always telling my kids, listen— if God had a refrigerator, your picture would be on it.
[Stefani] Aww, I love that.
[Heidi] He loves you and He’s cheering for you. Just before this podcast I was praying for Stefani that she would just feel the radiance of God’s smile and His favor on her life because He’s watching you grow into the woman He’s created you to be. It’s an amazing thing.
[Stefani] Yeah, absolutely. So my plea is to get involved and my call the action today is to do something. Ask The Lord where he wants you and watch Him move in your life and puts you in the places He wants you to be and then do your best. You’re gonna mess up. And that’s all right. He has so much grace. He’s sufficient to cover us in our mess ups. Do what He’s called you to do , the best you can, and just be surrender to Him and His will. So whether that’s City Council, whether that’s being an encourager, whether that’s like we talked about tech support or sweeping floors or whatever that is.
I’m sure your imaginations are running wild and you can think about a million things that you could be doing. Go after it, do something. Get off the bench and get onto the battlefield.
[Heidi] I love it, Stefani, thank you so much for coming. It’s been a joy to have you. I’m going to be rooting for you to bring your kids up here at least once in awhile from Canby up here to Vancouver and join us up here. It’s just a joy to see you. Thank you so much for coming.
[Stefani] Thank you, Heidi.
[Heidi] Hey you guys. I want to just encourage you. I hope you’ve been blessed by Stefani’s heart and her message today. I know she’s been in tremendous encouragement to me. I would love to hear your stories of getting off the bench and onto the battlefield. We’re going to make a habit of starting to share stories from a women who are just like me, and just like Stefani, ordinary men and women who God has said— I’m going to do something extraordinary through you. So I wanna encourage you guys—get off the bench and onto the battlefield. God has a plan and a purpose for your life. Stay faithful everybody, and I’ll see you back here with my friend Ken Ham on Friday.
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