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Hey everybody. This is Heidi St. John. Welcome to the podcast. Today is Wednesday, May 20th. I’m glad you guys are here. I’ve got a guest on the show with me today who’s coming back again. You guys are going to love him as much as I do. My friend, Bill Jack is on the show with me today and we’re going to talk about what’s going on in pandemicville. Stick around, I think you’re going to be encouraged.
I appreciate you guys tuning in today. As always, thank you so much for leaving reviews for the podcast over at iTunes and sharing what we’ve been doing. You guys know that the Resource Center was closed, and we officially reopened last week under threat of jail. And so we thank you guys for praying for us, and so far so good. We’re doing all right, and we just thank you guys for your prayers and support. If you would like to find out what’s happening at the ministry, you can follow us online at the Firmly Planted Family Homeschool Resource Center. All right, without any further ado, I’d like to introduce my friend to you.
If you’ve never met Bill, you’re missing out. Bill is a founder of Worldview Academy, all around great guy. And one of the smartest guys I know, particularly as it relates to the culture and the role of the Christian in it. And I thought, “Man, this is a great time to have him come back on and catch up a little.” So my friend, Bill, welcome back to the show.
[Bill] Thank you, Heidi. It’s good to be here.
[Heidi] You know what? It’s been a while since you and I talked. We’ve talked on the phone about the pandemic and how … You’re in Colorado.
[Heidi] And I’m in Washington. What’s the difference between what’s going on in Colorado and what’s going on in Washington?
[Bill] Well, our governor who is an open homosexual talks a good talk, he’s Democrat. He just met today with the President of the United States and he talked a good talk, but he really is offering some tyrannical moves out here in Colorado. For example, there was a restaurant here in town where I live in Castle Rock that opened for business on Mother’s Day and the owner got his license revoked. So there’s some draconian measures going on. In Denver, Colorado, it is mandatory that one wears a mask. And so there’s just things that are happening that are ridiculous. They’re not effective, it makes people scratch their heads in amazement. Why can you go to a liquor store, but you can’t go to church?
[Bill] There are some things that don’t make sense, and there’s an overreach of government bureaucracy and I’m concerned that liberty is on trial.
[Heidi] Yeah, it absolutely is on trial. I was just talking to Rick Green and he was saying that part of the reason, and I know you are going to agree with him. Part of the reason that we’re in the state that we’re in is because people don’t understand their rights, and they don’t understand how this country was founded, and they don’t understand or know the Constitution. And we’re in such a state right now. We’ve got to start working our way from a deficit backwards. So where do we start?
[Bill] We do need to educate people as to their liberties. What concerns me most is that churches are kowtowing to government under the guise of being good Christians and wanting to care for their neighbors. I just did a webinar a couple of weeks ago on prudence and jurisprudence…
[Heidi] Yes. So good. We watched that with all of our kids, sat around and we watched the whole thing.
[Bill] Oh, well, thanks. And it’s all about jurisdiction. Who has the authority to speak law in these areas? And we, as Christians need to understand what the biblical perspective is. And then also what is prudent. What is wise as Christians in caring for our neighbors, and our relatives, and our friends, and people at church. So, we look too often to government as the provider, rather than God as the provider. We fear, we’ve been trained now to fear government rather than fear God. And if we start with the fear of the Lord, then we would be much wiser because that is the beginning of wisdom. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. And we have a culture that no longer fears God. I’m hoping that what we’re seeing will return us to a time where we will fear God and seek His wisdom. I do have my doubts and I’m rather skeptical.
[Heidi] Well, and you and I talking a couple of weeks ago on the phone and you so rightly remarked, is we worship what we fear.
[Heidi] And we really do fear the government, and the government is sold … We did the thing … Jay and I sit around at night and we just scratch our heads, and we’re like, “Man, we did the thing, right? We flattened the curve, we stayed home, we shuttered our churches, we closed our buildings, we crashed our economy. Except for Walmart, because they’re essential. But the lady who sells resale clothes in Battle Ground, Washington, she somehow is not essential. It’s insanity. And you realize we’re literally a culture, a nation, in the grip of fear right now.
[Bill] Yes, and it is true. Jesus said to the Pharisees, to the lawyers in Luke 11:52, He said, “You have taken away the key of wisdom.” And what is the key of wisdom? Is fear of the Lord. Once you fear the true Creator, then He removes fear of everything else. And if we want to be fearless, we should fear God. If we want to be wise, we should fear God. That is a question that perhaps we should start asking all of our elected officials, “Do you fear God?” When I have students ask that question of elected officials, there is a visceral reaction. The people will actually step back and their eyes will wide open. It’s almost like taking one of those little carnival dolls that you win if you toss a ring or toss a ball. And you squeeze it, its eyes pop out, its ears pop out, its tongue pops … That’s the reaction you get when you ask people, “Do you fear God?” And the answer is almost squeezed out of them immediately.
They will either pop out, “Yes.” Or, “No.” And if they say, “No.” Then they will try to qualify it by saying, “Well, I respect Him.” And that tells a lot about where elected officials are. Fear of the Lord and not taking a bribe are the requirements for a magistrate in the Old Testament. We need people who fear God. And I think what we’re facing is a culture of people who are fearing the government rather than fearing God.
[Heidi] Well, and it’s interesting, the churches are doing this. I mean, the churches are fearing the government. Right?
[Heidi] Yeah. How did we get away from that?
[Bill] You look in the book of Acts, in Acts chapter 4 and 5. Peter and John were ordered by the Sanhedrin,by the Supreme Court of Israel not to preach in the name of Jesus. Now, did they say, “Okay, well we’ll do that. We’ll close our church doors and we won’t preach in the name.” No, what they did is they answered with what Jesus taught them in Matthew 10:16, “Be wise as serpents, innocent as doves.” That’s a strange combination. And I’ve paraphrased that into three words that Christians need to understand. When anybody in a position of authority says, “You cannot meet here. You cannot speak here. You cannot pass out literature here.” The three words are, “I don’t understand.” Basically. That’s what Peter and John did in Acts chapter 4 and 5. They said, “Supreme Court, you tell us, should we obey God, or should we obey man?” Now, basically what they were saying was, “We don’t understand. You tell us.” Now, what that did is it shut the Supreme Court’s mouth because not only were they the Supreme Court of Israel, they were the religious leaders of Israel.
They understood the answer. You are to obey God. Christians are to be obedient to true authority. Truth authority comes from God, always obey God. I don’t like the term “civil disobedience” because Christians are always to be obedient to the higher authority. That’s Romans 13. And the higher authority comes from God. You look in Acts 16, where Paul and Silas were unjustly beaten and then thrown in prison. We all know the story about the earthquake, chains falling off, jailer getting saved, his whole family getting saved. But most people don’t read the rest of the story, and the rest of the story is the next morning the magistrates sent word to the jailer, “Hey, we probably overreacted. Let those guys go.” Now, how did Paul and Silas respond? Did they go out the back door through the alley and catch the bus out of town? No, what they said is, “No, you go tell the magistrates to send their policemen down here and escort us out in front of the cameras from CNN, and Fox, and MSNBC, and ABC, and CBS, and NBC. You tell them that they have unjustly beaten Roman citizens.”
Paul and Silas didn’t pull this gentle Jesus meek and mild stuff, they stood for liberty. And it wasn’t for them, it was for everyone. Christians need to stand for liberty for all, not liberty for some. If we don’t have liberty for all, we have liberty for none. Churches are starting to do this. They’re saying, “I don’t care what you do …” For example, “… to Barronelle Stutzman, the florist in Washington state. Or to the Klein family in Oregon, or to Jack Phillips here in Colorado. I don’t care what you do to business people, just don’t make us, the Church, subject to the same laws. Give us an exemption.” Now, what that makes us is nothing more than a special interest group. We no longer stand for liberty. We need pastors who will stand for liberty for all and call the culture back to righteousness. We see that with Paul in Acts 25 as well. He said, “I appeal to Caesar.” Christians need to understand their liberties biblically. They need to understand that we live in a nation that is based on a biblically-based document, The Constitution. And we appeal to The Constitution.
Peter and John appealed to God, Paul appealed to Caesar because even a corrupt government had laws that protected its citizenry. We as US Christians and citizens need to stand for liberty. And when we are oppressed … It’s not going to be, “If we are oppressed.” It is, “When we are oppressed.” We appeal. We appeal. And we appeal not for us as individuals, because I can lay down my liberties. I can’t lay down your liberties. I have to stand and defend my neighbor’s liberty to assemble, to speak, to pass out literature. I must do that, that is what I’m called to do. Now, I can choose to lay down my liberties, I can choose not to appeal on my behalf, but I can’t … It’s as if someone were to break into my home and attack my family. I could choose if I were by myself, not to defend myself and lay down my life. I cannot choose to lay down my family’s life. We must stand for liberty.
It is liberty under law. And what I see is the erosion of liberty through this crisis because those who are in opposition to liberty are taking advantage of the opportunity to pass legislation or attempt to make edicts and curtail liberties.
[Heidi] Yeah. And what we’re seeing really is leaders who we have elected … I mean, we have done this to … and I keep saying this on the podcast, we have done this to ourselves. We have allowed people with darkened hearts to rise to the highest positions of authority in the States and in the nations, and now those people are drunk on power. So a pandemic comes in, gives them exactly the excuse they needed. That’s what we’re seeing here in Washington State, right? So emperor Inslee has decided that because he is the emperor of the land, that he can determine who’s essential and who isn’t, who can open and who doesn’t, and it literally makes no sense at all. So when I talked to Christian leaders or Christian pastors who say, “Well, we’re just going to stay closed until … We’re happy, we’re doing the Zoom thing, it’s fine.” I just want to say … And I hear them say, “The Bible says that we are to be subject …” I want you to answer this question, Bill.
“The Bible says that we’re to be subject to those in authority, to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s.” To which I always reply, “But this is a constitutional republic. You live in it, therefore you are Caesar. A government by the people, for the people, of the people.” How do you respond to these Christian leaders, Bill, that are hiding behind Christianity in the face of a crisis like this?
[Bill] First of all, they need to read Romans 13. And it says, “Be in subjection to …” It says, “… the governing authorities.” A better translation is, “The higher authority because this is all authorities established by God.” So does that mean, for example, that the Nazi government was established by God? “Well, yes. All governments are established by God. So therefore that makes God the author of evil.” Well, the answer is no, it does not. Governments are established by God, but they’re run by men. And because man is basically evil, he tends toward the evil. Governments become corrupt. We are to obey the higher authority. Now, when a pastor says, “Well, I’m going to tell my flock to just obey what the government says.” What he’s doing is he’s telling the businessman whose livelihood comes from his small business to shut down. And that’s contrary to Deuteronomy 24:6. Deuteronomy 24:6, it says, “No one shall take a handmill or an upper millstone in pledge, for he will be taking a life in pledge.” A millstone is what provided food for the family.
[Heidi] For the family. Yeah.
[Bill] And if you put that as security against a loan, and then the loan was defaulted and you took it, that was unbiblical. For the government to come in and say, “Your business is not essential.” Is unbiblical. It is essential for my family’s welfare. It is essential for the community. There’s no such thing as a non-essential businesses, especially when governors in your state and my state and around the country are saying, “Hey, pot shops should be open, but not churches.”
[Heidi] That’s right.
[Bill] You can go in, in Michigan and you can buy tomatoes in the grocery store, but you can’t buy seeds to plant those tomatoes in your garden. You can go fishing, but you can’t go fishing if you have a motor on your boat.
[Heidi] Right. Right.
[Bill] This is the absurdity of the administrative state. This is the administrative state. They are not doing it by law, they’re doing it by edict. It is unconstitutional. I am shocked that there aren’t churches who are rising up in mass and filing lawsuits, federally, against these actions.
[Heidi] Yep. And I think a lot of people are listening to this, I’ve heard this a lot because I’ve been on Facebook just talking about what’s happening here. The devastation, really, that’s being caused by a man in authority over us who does not care about his citizenry.
[Bill] That’s correct.
[Heidi] I mean, that’s really the bottom line. And I keep hearing Christian say, “Well, turn the other cheek.” And all this stuff. And I’m thinking, “Oh my goodness, we don’t understand God’s love for people.”
[Bill] Yeah. You can turn your cheek, you can’t turn my cheek.
[Bill] You can say, “I will forego my paycheck this week.” Out of concern for your neighbor, that’s your choice. But you can’t say, “Bill, you must forego your paycheck this week out of concern for your neighbor.” That is coercion. That is not charity, it is coercion. There is a world of difference between those two. What we need to start talking about are almost soundbite references. For example, right here in Colorado, there’s a push to talk about, no one should die alone. How many people have died in nursing homes, in critical care units and they had to dial on because their family was not allowed into the facility?
[Heidi] It’s criminal.
[Bill] It is criminal. You have experienced this. I just talked to…
[Bill] … another lady who experienced it. For the first time on Mother’s Day, she held her seven week old grandson. She had not seen her in-laws in two and a half months. They had been cloistered in their house. And when they met, they just wept and hugged each other. No one should die alone.
[Bill] No one should die alone. Another thing is unemployment kills people. Unemployment…
[Heidi] Yeah, that’s right.
[Bill] … is killing people. Suicides, opioid addictions, overdoses, alcoholism. The list goes on and on. People who could not get diagnosed with life threatening diseases, cancers, because the hospitals were closed. So unemployment kills people. And finally, government discrimination is evil. Government discrimination is evil. The government is choosing who can be essential and non-essential. Government is choosing … For example, in New York, governor Cuomo, the hero of the moment really devastated nursing homes because he sent COVID patients back into the nursing homes and those nursing homes were not prepared. Government discrimination is evil. We need to punch our elected officials with those statements. We need to talk to our neighbors, our friends. And it’s not partisan, those statements resonate with people.
[Heidi] Yeah. That’s really true. In the few seconds that we have left here, can you offer some encouragement to the parents who are sitting there listening? They’ve been in quarantine now for two and a half months, and they’re frustrated and they feel discouraged. And they’re like, “I just don’t even know what I can do. What can I do sitting at home in my little house? I’ve got no authority. I have no recourse. I have no way to ask for redress from my government. What can I do?”
[Bill] Well, I think there’s going to be an uprising. I’m looking forward to the moment when everybody walks into the grocery store, looks around at each other and they all take off their masks at the time. I’ve got a prototype mask that I’m now … It’s in production. It’s a mask with a yellow star on the cheek and it says, “Not again.” Inside of it. Because the mask is the new yellow star that citizens are forced to wear as their identification. And, “Not again.” Is a plea and a protest. Not again. Or, NOT AGAIN. Begin to exercise your liberties. I’m seeing people wear rise up and go, “It’s time for us to throw off the shackles of the government plantation.” And that’s what we really need to see. I’m hoping that, that will be the case. So no one should die alone. We need to walk into those facilities and practice safety, wear the mask. Don’t expose people unnecessarily, but no one should die alone. Talk about that with friends, and at your church.
We need to understand that unemployment kills people, and we need to realize that it’s the government discrimination that is evil. Those things, we need to punch home to our elected officials. Here’s the question that we need to ask each other in conversations over and over and over. In any conversation we have, we need to end it with, “I just want to ask you, do you trust your government?”
[Heidi] That’s the question.
[Bill] There you go, “Do you trust your government?” I don’t care with whom you speak, I don’t care what side of the political aisle. It’s like that little carnival dollar that you squeeze and it pops out automatically. Their answer … and I’ve done… is no. And the question that we need to be asking our elected officials is this, “By what constitutional authority are you doing this?”
[Heidi] Well, they can’t answer that one.
[Bill] And if they can’t answer it, then say, “Well, then I’m not obligated to obey you.”
[Heidi] Yeah. No, that’s exactly.
[Bill] I obey a higher authority.” What’s happened here in the State of Colorado, it’s not the governor who’s taking the blame. He’s saying, “Well, it’s the health departments.” We need to start writing to the health department, we need to start phoning the health departments, the county health departments and asking questions, “By what authority are you doing this?”
[Heidi] Yup. Yup. And we sure have learned a lesson, boy. We didn’t think that it mattered who the governor was. We were like, “Oh great, governor. He can go to all the fancy dinners and represent my state.” Turns out he can wreck your state if he doesn’t know how to represent your state. And it actually, it really, really matters. Bill Jack, where can people find you online?
[Bill] They can find the ministry for ICHE work at worldview.org. We do camps across the country, hopefully we’ll be doing them this summer. And they can contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
[Heidi] At gmail.com. You are a hero and I love what you’re doing. We love the ministry, obviously of Worldview Academy. And I cannot wait to see you again..
[Heidi] … and see what the Lord does as we all get back on our feet and onto the road. Right?
[Bill] I’m practicing social media distancing.
[Heidi] Me too. Me too. Bill Jack, thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it.
[Bill] Thank you. It’s good to talk to you, Heidi.
[Heidi] You too. For more information on Bill’s ministry … You guys, want to check this out, worldview.org. They have a fantastic program for youth, and my kids have all participated in Worldview Academy. You guys do not want to miss this opportunity to train your kids to be civically and biblically active. Thanks for listening to everybody. I appreciate it, and I’ll see you back here on Friday.
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